SlapHappy Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I've been paying a little closer attention to the individual small arms components of my BLUE squads and noticed something I hadn't ever thought to notice before. For a "suppressive" fire light support weapon which has a higher ROF, the CMSF SAW isn't. In fact, I haven't noticed that it has any higher rate of fire than the standard M4. If this is true, what is the real benefit of the SAW? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFightingSeabee Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I've noticed that as well. Should be letting loose as the auto rifleman. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietrich Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 But is the SAW's value in its rate of fire per se or in its ability to provide suppressive fire for longer stretches than a magazine-fed weapon can? I'm no small-arms grog, but because the M249 is belt-fed (200 rounds per belt, AFAIK) and has a quick-change barrel, it can fire more and longer than the M16s or M4s wielded by the men accompanying the SAW gunner. Also, the M249's rate of fire is not that much greater than the M4's -- 750-1,000 rpm versus 700-950 rpm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatintman Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 No it should be rounds down the range as quickly as possible - certainly that's why the British Army procured the L110A2 because the L86A2 (LSW) being a magazine fed weapon couldn't produce the goods in that regard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlapHappy Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 All I see is 3-4 round bursts per soldier regardless of weapon system until ammo runs out. SAW and the M4 seem the same to me......Also I'm not talking about theoretical ROF, but ROF in actual practice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkEzra Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 All I see is 3-4 round bursts per soldier regardless of weapon system until ammo runs out. SAW and the M4 seem the same to me......Also I'm not talking about theoretical ROF, but ROF in actual practice. Interesting question. What is field experience, what do Grogs say? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFightingSeabee Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Usually, the automatic rifleman is the only one authorized to shoot on auto. He should be letting loose with 3-5 round bursts in very quick succession if he is shooting at all. If there is any emergency, he can fire a much longer burst. All non-ar's should be firing well aimed single shots. SlapHappy is right, imo, that there doesn't seem to be much difference between the saw and the rifles in the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 What ranges are we talking about here? Out at 200-300m, the difference between rifle and SAW is marked, for me at least 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlapHappy Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 I did an observation test at ~80 meters area firing on a building. I am aware that firing rates drop off considerably at ranges that are less than ideal for the M4. Perhaps the SAW does not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlapHappy Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 Testing at 250 meters indicated to me that M4 fire rate does tend to drop off while SAW tends to maintain ROF. But again, it's M4 REDUCING fire rate, not SAW fire rate increasing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Field Marshal Blücher Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Testing at 250 meters indicated to me that M4 fire rate does tend to drop off while SAW tends to maintain ROF. But again, it's M4 REDUCING fire rate, not SAW fire rate increasing. Which is correct, if I understand theFightingSeebee's remarks correctly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 3-5 round burst seems to be appropriate. ISTM that the complaint is that the M4s fire too much compared to the M249? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Does the experience or morale or the suppression of the squad play a role? I remember something vaguely about scared soldiers in CMSF firing in longer, uncontrolled bursts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFightingSeabee Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I didn't realize that the rof drops for the m4 with increasing range. That seems more realistic. If there was an enemy close by, I think everyone within close proximity would let him have it. So, I guess I am proven wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hcrof Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 You are right there stikkypixie - untrained troops will squeeze the whole magazine off in one go - completely useless except in a point blank ambush 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietrich Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 All I see is 3-4 round bursts per soldier regardless of weapon system until ammo runs out. SAW and the M4 seem the same to me......Also I'm not talking about theoretical ROF, but ROF in actual practice. If M4- or M16-equipped soldiers are firing more than 3 rounds per burst, this is inaccurate. Both the M4's and the M16A4's selective fire options are semi-auto and three-round bursts. (It's the M4A1 that can fire full-auto.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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