GSX Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 Bloody hell, nice resource! As an aside, I'd heard of "Operation TELIC" but had assumed it was some sort of sweep against insurgents after the war rather than the invasion itself. Obviously I was wrong. TELIC is the Iraq Op, HERRICK the Afghan Op. There are a few others than encompass the war on terror etc. Back to the Brit Module, is BF going to be able to model this accurately? http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/personal/1454.aspx 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 What do see PRR bringing to the table that isn't in CMSF already - what would "model[ing] [PRR] accurately" look like to you, that is distinctly different to what we already have? Or were you talking about the British penchant for wearing berets? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 I believe that the USMC have something similar, if not the same, these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSX Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 What do see PRR bringing to the table that isn't in CMSF already - what would "model[ing] [PRR] accurately" look like to you, that is distinctly different to what we already have? Or were you talking about the British penchant for wearing berets? Well for starters they should maybe be wearing them. No Berets though, not in combat. Perhaps a PRR would enable the Squad to be more spread out? 1.10 seems to have improved the 'lets all run in a gaggle' mode, but its still unrealistic to see a 13 man Marine squad hang around a door waiting to get in a building. Anyway, Im sure if they can stick shades on marines they can slap a PRR on some Suaddies. Anyway thats not a Beret, this is! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Anyway, Im sure if they can stick shades on marines they can slap a PRR on some Suaddies. Oh, ok then. Just eye candy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webwing Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Anyway, Im sure if they can stick shades on marines they can slap a PRR on some Suaddies. Actually I can´t imagine the British soldier in the game with out it. - 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSX Posted November 4, 2008 Author Share Posted November 4, 2008 Oh, ok then. Just eye candy. No offence meant here, but isnt shades on a Marine in a night mission bloody eye candy too? I actually thought that was one of the big leaps forward in the CM-2 games, eye candy and all? Anyway, Im not sure SF can model a much looser infantry formation, as I understand it roght now, and correct me if Im a Biff here, we have 1-1 soldier representation, but not 1-1 soldier modelling in space. So no amount of PRR and aids to better infantry communication in the noise and heat of battle is going to change that. Perhaps using the PRR would make them more efficient soldiers, increase their relative skill level? After all, squad ncos wont be shouting vague commands over the din, they would be speaking clear commands over their PRR. Just a thought. If the Marines use something similar, then that should be modelled too....... Much more convincing then shades at night!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webwing Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 The British soldiers look pretty cool with the PRR and it is one of the things that makes them look different, apart from the helmet and the trousers thing. There is also the camo and the weapons and... oh well, they are quite different. I don´t think there should be a dispute between eye candy and realism. I´d like to see as much eye candy as possible and as much realism as possible too! Personally I think there is a very good balance of both in the game. It has realism without being tedious and eye candy enough to make it immersive and fun. - 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 No offence meant here, but isnt shades on a Marine in a night mission bloody eye candy too? None taken, and you are correct - the sunnies are 'just' eye candy (and yes, it would be nice if they took them off at night). When you said 'properly modelled' I thought you meant some kind of AI or comms changes. Does the US really not use PRR? Huh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 3. Maybe insignificant, but paramount, Brit soldiers DO NOT tuck their trousers (pants if your US) into their boots. We like to have them round our ankles. ... the trousers thing. ... I'm not quite sure I understand this one. All the UK soldiers I've ever seen have their trousers bloused. For example: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41038000/jpg/_41038858_vehicle203_ap.jpg http://www.islamonline.net/english/news/2003-04/08/images/pic20.jpg http://www.milsatmagazine.com/cgi-bin/display_image.cgi?1273090890 http://www.stockphotography.co.uk/Upload/Stock/Watermarked/11607.jpg http://www.history.army.mil/photos/gulf_war/096_07.jpg http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/mediamonkey/iraqpic3440.jpg They aren't tucked into the boots (which strikes me as a particularly uncomfortable thing to do) but the definately aren't around the ankles, and aren't hanging loose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnedpuppy Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 A quick question, theoreticaly what will the British have in the way of air support? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Harrier, Tornado and Typhoon, plus the UK version of the Apache 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meach Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 The boot and trouser thing is due to elasticated clips tucked into the hem of the trouser leg and rolled up and clipped so as to make a fake elasticated cuff. They are not tucked into the boot per se. Also the laces on the boots are usually tied at the back thru the leather loop and the spare length of lacer is hidden. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 SgtMuhammed, Beat me to it, but it's from Tommy. "For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!" But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;" Name lore's here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Atkins Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 The boot and trouser thing is due to elasticated clips tucked into the hem of the trouser leg and rolled up and clipped so as to make a fake elasticated cuff. They are not tucked into the boot per se. Also the laces on the boots are usually tied at the back thru the leather loop and the spare length of lacer is hidden. Uh. Yes. Quite. I do have a little practical experience there. But in terms of external visual difference between the US and the UK ... it's pretty trivial, no? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meach Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Jus' tryin' to edumacate da masses, jons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webwing Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 In RL it might be. But in game every single US soldier has his trousers tucked inside their boots so if the Brits have it some other way it would help make them look different. Nothing major, of course. - 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 But in game every single US soldier has his trousers tucked inside their boots so if the Brits have it some other way it would help make them look different. I thought the bagpipe player attached to every platoon would do that? :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSX Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 I never thought Id spark a huge discussion on how to wear your trousers, however. The elastic bungees are optional and many wear them, but when standing up you generally pull the elastic down to the foot. 2 seconds running around and bending your knees causes the elastic to ride up. No big deal though but its definitely not tucked into a boot and half way up the leg. A tiny touch of realism adds to a game, just as the PRR would. What about the Minimi? I can only remember us having the Para version and not the one with a stock. Again, not that it makes a whole lot of difference. Again, the UK javelin is different and comes with a Tripod and has a more effective sight system too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webwing Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Javelins are not always on tripods but sure different from US. - 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Field Marshal Blücher Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I thought the bagpipe player attached to every platoon would do that? :confused: That's what differentiates Scottish from English. We need something to differentiate Brits from Americans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 That's what differentiates Scottish from English. No, actually it's Hadrian's wall that performs that function. Should that fail, there's police. We need something to differentiate Brits from Americans. That'd be the Atlantic. But why you'd like to have it in CMSF is beyond me!? :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 UK Javelin Tripod I sense a nascent forum meme here somewhere, but i can't quite put my finger on it ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Field Marshal Blücher Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 No, actually it's Hadrian's wall that performs that function. Should that fail, there's police. Point taken. Hadrian's Wall, police, and bagpipes should leave no doubt. That'd be the Atlantic. But why you'd like to have it in CMSF is beyond me!? :confused: I'll take the Mediterranean though . . . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSX Posted November 6, 2008 Author Share Posted November 6, 2008 Back to my last question, which hasnt been answered by anyone who knows. Anyway, Im not sure SF can model a much looser infantry formation, as I understand it right now, and correct me if Im a Biff here, we have 1-1 soldier representation, but not 1-1 soldier modelling in space. So no amount of PRR and aids to better infantry communication in the noise and heat of battle is going to change that. Perhaps using the PRR would make them more efficient soldiers, increase their relative skill level? After all, squad ncos wont be shouting vague commands over the din, they would be speaking clear commands over their PRR. Im curious if this COULD be done with the engine/game/whatever? Could the addition of the PRR automatically increase the command/efficiency/combat ability of the unit using it? After all, it does appear to do so in real life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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