oren_m Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Anyone know if the V-22 is operational already? And if so, would we see it in the game? It could be very nice! Oren_m 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNFAN Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 According to this website: http://pma275.navair.navy.mil/ Full production was approved in October 2005. The site does not say (at least I could find it on the site) how many are actually operating now. Perhaps others have more details. It would be an interesting addition to the game. -- David 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 I have seen pairs of them flying low near my town recently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagwyn Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Were they cigar shaped? Did they just up and disappear? Did they leave marks on the ground? You just a visit by a UFO. Raelians perhaps? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Actually I am near area 51. We get C17s doing touch and go's, Blackhawks going down the river very low on Friday, A10s a couple of weeks ago, you get the idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffsmith Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by junk2drive: Actually I am near area 51. Wow I bet those Ospreys are COOL [ March 04, 2006, 08:45 PM: Message edited by: jeffsmith ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 V-22's aren't "Deep Black" either. When did we get off subject? I am in NW Arizona and Nevada is across the Colorado river about a mile from here. California is about 6 miles. Within a 4 hour drive I can be at Luke AFB in PHX, Yuma AZ, 29 Palms, Nellis AFB, and so on. Anyway the Ospreys are fun to watch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Abbott, Nice picture, looks impressive from a civilian point of view... Looks like a big, vulnerable, slow moving target from an Iraqi point of view. Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oren_m Posted March 5, 2006 Author Share Posted March 5, 2006 But, it could be very usful when you need to send a small force to an enemy country, let's say, Syria. In their aircraft mode they fly faster than helicopter (350 Kts, if i remeber right), and they can land where ever they like. Oren_m 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 But we have learned in iraq, that Helos and ground fire don't mix, so whats the plan Oren..... Fly them rapidly to Syria so that they can be shot down sooner than helicopters would. Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1A1TC Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 V-22s are used by the USMC, and there is only US Army in the CMSF. So you might see them in the USMC module, if we ever get one in the future 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by Peter Cairns: Abbott, Nice picture, looks impressive from a civilian point of view... Looks like a big, vulnerable, slow moving target from an Iraqi point of view. Peter. Peter, I posted the picture so (some) folks would know what was being discussed. I am glad you are available to let us know everyone's opinions. What's my mom's opinion? Oren_m, I agree. From an operational point of view I can see where the vehicle could be useful in a variety of situations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by Abbott: What's my mom's opinion?Your mom thinks it would make for a good blender and asks can it whip cream. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew H. Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by Abbott: Can an Osprey capture enemy vehicles this way? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by Andrew H.: Can an Osprey capture enemy vehicles this way? Yes, if equipped with the V2 pelican clamp. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 The civilian point of view refers to the fact that lots of the things you see at air displays are really impressive, like loops and rolls, but most of them are virtually never used in combat because they bleed off far to much energy and that can be pretty much fatal in a dogfight. So what looks impressive when you see it at a display or in training isn't necessarily a good thing in combat. Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Bombs Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 V-22 Squadron becomes operational Thunder Chickens, heh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by Peter Cairns: The civilian point of view refers to the fact that lots of the things you see at air displays are really impressive, like loops and rolls, but most of them are virtually never used in combat because they bleed off far to much energy and that can be pretty much fatal in a dogfight. So what looks impressive when you see it at a display or in training isn't necessarily a good thing in combat. Peter. What the the V-22 Osprey aircraft brings to the table is; * increased speed because it's twice as fast as a helicopter. * much longer range resulting in greater mission versatility than a helicopter. * multi-mission capability: amphibious assault, combat support, long-range special ops infiltration and exfiltration, transport, search and rescue, medevac, and, in the future, tanker capability. * can transport 24 combat troops or up to 20,000 pounds of internal or external cargo using its medium lift and vertical takeoff and landing capabilities * meets U.S. Navy requirements for combat search and rescue, fleet logistics support, and special warfare support * can be stored aboard an aircraft carrier because the rotors can fold and the wing rotate * has air-to-air refueling capability, the ability to self-deploy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by Andrew H.: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Abbott: Can an Osprey capture enemy vehicles this way? </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by Abbott: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Peter Cairns: The civilian point of view refers to the fact that lots of the things you see at air displays are really impressive, like loops and rolls, but most of them are virtually never used in combat because they bleed off far to much energy and that can be pretty much fatal in a dogfight. So what looks impressive when you see it at a display or in training isn't necessarily a good thing in combat. Peter. What the the V-22 Osprey aircraft brings to the table is; * increased speed because it's twice as fast as a helicopter. * much longer range resulting in greater mission versatility than a helicopter. * multi-mission capability: amphibious assault, combat support, long-range special ops infiltration and exfiltration, transport, search and rescue, medevac, and, in the future, tanker capability. * can transport 24 combat troops or up to 20,000 pounds of internal or external cargo using its medium lift and vertical takeoff and landing capabilities * meets U.S. Navy requirements for combat search and rescue, fleet logistics support, and special warfare support * can be stored aboard an aircraft carrier because the rotors can fold and the wing rotate * has air-to-air refueling capability, the ability to self-deploy </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by Sergei: I think Peter means that in combat zone it'd be shot down right away. Has no place in CMSF. I think everyone (at least on this forum) knows it is a support aircraft, not a combat aircraft. Unless equipped with the V2 pelican snout/clamp for scooping up enemy vehicles from the surface of the water. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Originally posted by Abbott: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sergei: I think Peter means that in combat zone it'd be shot down right away. Has no place in CMSF. I think everyone (at least on this forum) knows it is a support aircraft, not a combat aircraft. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Abbot, I'll give you the faster longer range, but aprt from that everything else you have listed can be done by a CH53, Oh and a V-22 costs almost $100m and carries 24 troops or up to 11,700 pounds slung. A CH-53 costs £25m to upgrade to "X" standard and can carry up to 55 troops. Like the Commanche, the Osprey has been overtaken by events. Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 I remember the same arguments concerning the absence of need for the C-5 when 747's were already available. I felt the same way then as I do now; I really could care less about it. Those who make the decisions obviously like the V-22’s expanded abilities and its top speed seems (to me) to be a big plus. The V 22 also matches the U.S. Special Operations Command's requirement for a high-speed, long-range, vertical lift aircraft that the upgraded helicopter does not. Whatever floats your boat is cool with me Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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