undead reindeer cavalry Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 has there been any mention about how smoke and/or lasers are modelled in CMSF? i think smoke and targetting should be modelled more accurately in CMSF than in WW2 setting. differences between smokes and weapons systems that utilize laser are considerable. even small amounts of smoke is every effective against weapons that use laser for targetting, but offer very limited (or no) protection against laser beam riding weapons like Kornet. another thing is how different smokes effect thermals etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 I wear thermals in winter and I don't smoke, is that off topic... Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSgt Viljuri Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 The new Finnish winter snow camo (not the temperate woodland camo I posted earlier) is especially hard to detect using thermal night-vision systems (the best in the world, I presume). Not on the topic either, but I just wanted to add my contribution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Cairns Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 SSgt Viljuri, How is it done, is it a special type of fabric, and how does it adapt to different backgound and day and night tempretures. Peter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew H. Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Originally posted by Peter Cairns: SSgt Viljuri, How is it done, is it a special type of fabric, and how does it adapt to different backgound and day and night tempretures. Peter. There is a toxic chemical impregnated in the fabric that poisons the wearer, whose body then takes on the ambient temperature. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juan_gigante Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Being Finns, though, their death does little to reduce their combat effectiveness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucero1148 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Haha ROFL! No wonder there are so few of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Originally posted by juan_gigante: Being Finns, though, their death does little to reduce their combat effectiveness. The 1st. Zombie Finn Cavalry Brigade rides again! Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo ferricus Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 i dont know if u guys are joking or not, but the Finns did put up an extremely stubborn defense in WWII against Russia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juan_gigante Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 We never joke about the Finns. We are deadly serious about the Finns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Especially we never joke about UberFinns - either of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Originally posted by Stalin's Organist: Especially we never joke about UberFinns - either of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo ferricus Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 lol alright i guess that means your joking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_d Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 I used to be friends with a guy who claimed to be the Prince of Karelia (in Finland). He used to wrestle bears in the freezer compartment of our local supermarket. Honestly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_d Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Well, the first bit is true. He claimed he was the Prince of Karelia, wrongfully driven out of his country by the Soviets in 1940 or sometime around then. We had great plans to take it back and place him back on his throne- recruiting the best part of 12 Finns to take on the Russian army armed only with WW1 rifles and molotov cocktails. But maybe 12 Finns would be overkill, given the size of the Russian armed forces. Anyway, we sobered up shortly afterwards and called it off 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo ferricus Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 right... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juan_gigante Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Yeah, 12 Finns would be unfair. It might be okay if only one or two were allowed to have guns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizardman743 Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Yeah, 2 with guns sounds about right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_d Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 But no ammo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogface Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 The true question would be, "How many have pinecones?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo ferricus Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 but the pinecones have to be peeled so there aren't any sharp edges. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 If the, ahem, humor brigade is finished for now, could we please get back to a substantive discussion on the original topic? I think it's important that the characteristics and interactions of various smokes, lasers, and detection systems be properly modeled. For example, exhaust generated smoke from, say, a T-72 blocks normal visual LOS and visible band lasers, but does not block thermal IR vision systems or carbon dioxide lasers. Other smokes and obscurants have been available for decades which can block both of them, and there are multispectral obscurants which can take out visual, IR, and even radar at the same time. Without going into details, let's just say that the usual Syrian suppliers have them and would be happy to sell. And the usual suppliers are by no means the only ones. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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