Douglas Rudd Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Don't get them, white text is still missing. Time to dump ATI Doug 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAsta_KFC Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Hmm dont dump ATI. The ati cards are good, it's just that it just wont work with CMBO/CMBB FSAA. FOr everything else, they are almost perfect. Maybe one day Cat ver XX will no longer have white text 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil stanbridge Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Obviously it's the buyers decision, but IMHO, the ATi series of cards, from the 9000 right up to the 9800 Pro are the best cards on the planet for this sort of thing. Ok, they're not perfect due to driver support, but take a look at the problems Nvidia users (including myself) are facing. Just as bad if you ask me. The ATi cards are more powerful like for like, and produce better quality FSAA than the Nvidia cards. I currently own a 9700 Pro, and a Nvidia Ti4200. I use both for CMBB, but I find the Ati card much better for it, even with the poor driver support. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hepcat Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Is there a workaround for the white-text problem? Does it only occur with FSAA? I'm considering getting a ATI 9800 Pro and I play a lot of games other than CM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Rudd Posted May 16, 2003 Author Share Posted May 16, 2003 No white text with FSAA on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAsta_KFC Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 Douglas, u have no white text with FSAA now??? What's ure system specs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Rudd Posted May 17, 2003 Author Share Posted May 17, 2003 Specs: Win XP Home SP1 Radeon 9700 Pro P4-3 GHz 512 megs of RAM SB Audigy Plat DX 9.0A All drivers are current. This is the only game/app that I have problems with. Seems other folks are having problems with these drivers as well, from what I have read over at rage3d.com. Doug 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juju Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Heh, and to think I just switched to ATI because Nvidia made such a mess of things. Still, I'm rather happy with my new 9700 pro. I trust this will eventually be fixed. In the meantime MrNoobie has released a 'patch' for CM that makes the game at least playable. Not perfect, but playable. Download it at the mod database 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Rudd Posted May 19, 2003 Author Share Posted May 19, 2003 The patch did not work, still no text. Doug 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easytarget Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 just to complicate everyone's video card life just a bit more Nvidia has just released the NV35 (FX 5900 Ultra) which in terms of performance is on par with the ATI 9800 despite comments above to the contrary, ATI has hardly walked off with unrivaled superiority in vid card design 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil stanbridge Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 FWIW the NV35 has been tested with DoomIII and it's actually a lot faster than the ATi 9800 like for like. It looks like a nice card indeed, just hope it doesn't cost the earth. [ May 19, 2003, 10:46 AM: Message edited by: phil stanbridge ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abn Air Cav Posted May 26, 2003 Share Posted May 26, 2003 I upgraded to the Catalyst 3.4 drivers since they fixed a problem in another program. Unfortunately, I now have the white text problem, too. I'm headed off to the ATI site to report it. *sigh* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunKing Posted May 26, 2003 Share Posted May 26, 2003 Try this link to report the driver bugs. I have already submitted my rant. Hopefully with more they will take it serious. http://apps.ati.com/driverfeedback/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-hero- Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 It's a shame really. Just got a 9700 Pro for half a song and the units look great with FSAA at 6X. Too bad I can't read anything about them. : sigh : 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abn Air Cav Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 Yes, SunKing, that's the form I've been using, thank you for posting the link and the admonition, tho. I had to roll all the way back to the Catalyst 3.0, what I had been using, to get the text to display. I tried the 3.4, 3.2, 3.1, no joy. Unfortunately, the 3.4's had a fix I wanted, that's why I had installed them. As others have said, most of the fault lies with ATI, but realistically CM is using such an old DirectX implementation that the drivers don't support it even if the DirectX spec says they should. I am less critical of Apple dropping the support for the old API the more that I see the reality of the hardware vendors driver implementaions. *sigh* I was really looking forward to CMAK, but my faith in being able to run it is wavering ... Looks like this board will be busy once the retail versions hit the shelves with a whole new crop of frustrated video card owners. 9700 Pro, Win XP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil stanbridge Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 I'm using my Geforce4 Ti4200, with 43.51 drivers. I've seen the slow-frame rate issue. Not 100% sure what we can do about it TBH, and my faith is wavering too. I *think* I'm going to invest in the 5900FX when it hits our shores. I'm sure it won't fix the problem we're experiencing here, but it will certainly look good 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 Originally posted by phil stanbridge: I'm using my Geforce4 Ti4200, with 43.51 drivers. I've seen the slow-frame rate issue. Have you tried the 44.03 drivers? Worked wonders for me, and I'm on an ancient Gf Ti2 card! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abn Air Cav Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 Originally posted by phil stanbridge: Not 100% sure what we can do about it TBH, and my faith is wavering too. I *think* I'm going to invest in the 5900FX when it hits our shores. I guess I'm going to see if I can resurrect an old PII-450. I may only need to buy a CD-ROM drive & I've got a GeForce 3 Ti 500 for it ... if I get it working and it can handle CMBB I'll have a box just for CM and I'll get fog again. Kinda sad it's come to that, but I really do need to use the Catalyst 3.4's on my 9700 Pro. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Originally posted by Douglas Rudd: Don't get them, white text is still missing. Time to dump ATI Doug Why blame ATI? The CM graphics engine is 4 years old. Compared to fast develoment in graphic-card-tech, it's like running Windows95 on a modern computer system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaylord Focker Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by easytarget: despite comments above to the contrary, ATI has hardly walked off with unrivaled superiority in vid card design I disagree, Nvidia is in a slump right now as those FX cards are noisey and slower than the latest ATI cards, also ATI is comeing out with a better version of the 9800 upon the relase of the NV35 boards. I would personaly take an over Geforce 4 ti series over any NV30 boards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easytarget Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 might want to catch up on latest developments card wise - nvidia currently owns the fastest card bragging rights the 5900 is faster than the 9800 and no longer noisy leaf blower like its predecessor in fact, the 5900 is specifically faster than the 9800 at higher rez and with AA and AF on (the area where ATI was owning nvidia) as for a faster versions coming out - that's a factor you can safely ignore, it's true for both companies all the time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunKing Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 Simple comparing color I would choose an ATI any day. just something about the ATI colors that I like. Nivida colors look cartoonie (is that a word?) IMHO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puff the Magic Dragon Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Originally posted by Scipio: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Douglas Rudd: Don't get them, white text is still missing. Time to dump ATI Doug Why blame ATI? The CM graphics engine is 4 years old. Compared to fast develoment in graphic-card-tech, it's like running Windows95 on a modern computer system. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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