Hydralisk911 Posted March 29, 2002 Share Posted March 29, 2002 I was playin a quickbattle, i bought two panthers 1 platoon of infantry,3 roadblocks 5 infantry mines, 5 tank mines, and about 8 barbed wire. Making a giant line with these obstacles, the enemy was forced to attack to the far right flank where the line ended where my two panthers awaited them. They blew the hell out of the entire enemy force.Eventually they found a way through the obstacle to the left flank so i moved and killed em all there too. Is it realestic for 2 veteran panther g's to kill 3 enemy tanks, 3 halftracks, atleast 40 infantry, and scare the crap out of about another 60 or so and win the battle with very little help from my 3 rifle teams and its hq. It seems like bs and it ruins the entire balance of play. Off course, maybe it was just the dumbass ai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtweasle Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 The "AI" is a better defender than an attacker. Also the AI is not too swift at keeping the HQ units with the squads. So you can break the AI controled squads pretty easy. Let the AI defend and give them a +2 experience bonus and you'll see a differnce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 There's certainly enough combat reports about troops having kittens when a Panther appears in a blocking position on a distant ridgeline. The can indeed ruin somebody's day. If you made it through unscathed you were lucky. A lot of people take the Panther's Ubertank reputation for granted and get themselves into more trouble than they ought. If you play the same game again chances are you may loose one Panther early to a lucky shot to a weak area and get your second Panther smoked by artillery and sit there usless. It's been known to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydralisk911 Posted March 30, 2002 Author Share Posted March 30, 2002 I'l havta try the attack with the experience bonus, and which would you reccomend, panthers or tigers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer_Meyer Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 On the eastern front a single tank at times hedl up entire battalions and brigades. From the book Panzer Aces, there are menay accounts of a TC with his tank holding up an entire Russian battalion and wiping it out and/or routing it. Herman Bix for example in a lone Pz-III snuck into a town trough a ravine and proceded to wipe out an entire Russian motorized battalion in the town. He also came up against 2 KV-I tanks, he hit them numerous times in the side armor and rear armor at 30m but no penetration with his 50mm, so he told the gunner to aim for the KVs GUN. The gunner managed to hit the KVs gun and damage it and then he shot off the tracks, he proceded to the same to the seconds KV tank. Anyway, it is possible for 2 tanks to hold up an entire attack, if handled properly ofcourse. As others said, the AI is horrible at attacking, and also do try giving the AI +2 bonus, it helps a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liebchen Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 The answers re: a pair of tanks holding up a line are fine and good, but I have only one question for ya: What the Hell you doing playing the AI? If you want a challenge, play a human! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Leader Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Hey Rommel22, that has got to be one of the COOLEST books I've ever read. Bix is my new hero. Those battles towards the end when he gets the Jagdpanther were totally awesome. He really knew how to work that beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer_Meyer Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 PL, Panzer Aces has to be one of my favorite if not the favorite WWII I've read so far. I am going to order Panzer Aces 2 soon. The Panzer Ace that struck me the most though was Ernst, he commanded a Hornissen, a pltoon of them and later a company. He fought in this open top, lighty armored tank hunter (Hornissen) in the battles for Vitebesk, winter 43-44. And he survived and became a tank ace. Simply amazing; I mean that mean he was so damn good he didn't even get hit once, cause if he did, it's all over in the Hornissen. Later Ernst recieved a Jagdpanther and he was shot in the head by a Soviet Officer when soviet troops were close assaulting his tank. He was shooting them with his luger from the hatch. The tank was imobile and the soviets were just climbing on top of it. He survived the gun shot wound to the head, had surgery in Germany and fought against the Americans in 45, with a platoon of JagdTigers. His careers sticks in my mind the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtweasle Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Originally posted by Hydralisk911: I'l havta try the attack with the experience bonus, and which would you reccomend, panthers or tigers?Given a choice I take Panthers! Just might be the best all around tank you can get in CMBO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie the Toad Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Dear Hydralisk911, From your description of how you set up your positions, it would appear that you had, besides the units you describe, one more huge asset. The edge of the map. Just wondering ..... Toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydralisk911 Posted March 30, 2002 Author Share Posted March 30, 2002 I had the far end of my two thirds of the map as the defender with the obstacles and my forces inside of the town with my platoon and panzers.What do you mean...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Originally posted by Dirtweasle: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Hydralisk911: I'l havta try the attack with the experience bonus, and which would you reccomend, panthers or tigers?Given a choice I take Panthers! Just might be the best all around tank you can get in CMBO.</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Play the operation "Villers-Bocage" on the CD. Just how much damage can you do with that one Tiger? It's fairly scary to think that Wittman did better that I ever managed, and I had two or three goes. Just watch out for the Fireflies. They'll spoil your day real quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Reich Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Originally posted by flamingknives: Play the operation "Villers-Bocage" on the CD. Just how much damage can you do with that one Tiger? It's fairly scary to think that Wittman did better that I ever managed, and I had two or three goes. Just watch out for the Fireflies. They'll spoil your day real quick.I have NEVER played CMBO as the Allies. But from the other side, the Firefly puts more fear in me than just about any other Allied tank. Except for the Crocs. I hate the crocs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipper Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 Two panthers racking up such scores on defensive is not only realistic, it's pretty much expectable. Not to mention the fact that you played against AI. At war, very weird things sometimes happened. Lowly T-60 knocking out two Tigers. One well placed Stug breaking an attack of dozen T-34s. Etc etc. > On the eastern front a single tank at times > hedl up entire battalions and brigades. Please take these accounts with a pinch of salt. Especialy the "wiping out" part. I am not saying it didn't happen at all - just that authors of books like Panzer Ace are not terriby critical about their sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibsonm Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 Originally posted by Hydralisk911: I had the far end of my two thirds of the map as the defender with the obstacles and my forces inside of the town with my platoon and panzers.What do you mean......I suspect he means that because the map has an edge the AI couldn't outflank you and was channeled into the Engagement Area would had formed at the end of your obstacle belt. You were able to shape the enemy so he was forced to attack into one area and were able to mass your best weapons there. As for the Panther's effectiveness, its probably best to think of it as the M1A2 Abrams of its day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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