Mick_Oz Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 I'm aware that this is a feature and not a bug but is there any way to stop my Russian tank crews (including HQ) from immediately buttoning up as soon as they sight a target and take it under fire (aside from cover armor which may not always be appropriate)? The result is that the entire platoon goes out of C and C... even when in close proximity to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busboy Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Well, I think the answer is no. But I believe that you will find that your tank crewmen will only button up only if they are under fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick_Oz Posted September 5, 2002 Author Share Posted September 5, 2002 Originally posted by busboy: Well, I think the answer is no. But I believe that you will find that your tank crewmen will only button up only if they are under fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shosties Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 The T-34 M40 commander needs to button in order to fire the main gun. He does double duty as the gunner and needs to attend to the optics and controls in the turret. http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/ussr/t34.html http://www.battlefield.ru/map.html This doesn't get addressed until the three-man turret of the T-34/85 allows a full-time gunner. [ September 04, 2002, 10:11 PM: Message edited by: Shosties4th ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick_Oz Posted September 5, 2002 Author Share Posted September 5, 2002 Originally posted by busboy: Well, I think the answer is no. But I believe that you will find that your tank crewmen will only button up only if they are under fire.Oops.. posted without posting so to speak. I guess this is intended to make advancing under fire that much slower with C and C penalties in force... I'm still getting used to the vehicle command hq side of things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick_Oz Posted September 5, 2002 Author Share Posted September 5, 2002 Originally posted by Shosties4th: The T-34 M40 commander needs to button in order to fire the main gun. He's does double duty as the gunner and needs to attend to the optics and controls in the turret. This doesn't get addressed until the 3-man turret of the T-34/85 allows a full-time gunner.That explains it. Thanks for the quick response, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Manuel Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Originally posted by Shosties4th: The T-34 M40 commander needs to button in order to fire the main gun. He's does double duty as the gunner and needs to attend to the optics and controls in the turret. http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/ussr/t34.html (Battlefield.ru seems to be down temporarily... I will add this link in later.) This doesn't get addressed until the 3-man turret of the T-34/85 allows a full-time gunner.Yikes, what a disadvantage! And the Sovs don't get the T-34/85 until what, late '43? Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shosties Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Originally posted by Silvio Manuel: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Shosties4th: The T-34 M40 commander needs to button in order to fire the main gun. He's does double duty as the gunner and needs to attend to the optics and controls in the turret. http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/ussr/t34.html (Battlefield.ru seems to be down temporarily... I will add this link in later.) This doesn't get addressed until the 3-man turret of the T-34/85 allows a full-time gunner.Yikes, what a disadvantage! And the Sovs don't get the T-34/85 until what, late '43? Ouch.</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Manuel Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Originally posted by Shosties4th: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Silvio Manuel: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Shosties4th: The T-34 M40 commander needs to button in order to fire the main gun. He's does double duty as the gunner and needs to attend to the optics and controls in the turret. http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/ussr/t34.html (Battlefield.ru seems to be down temporarily... I will add this link in later.) This doesn't get addressed until the 3-man turret of the T-34/85 allows a full-time gunner.Yikes, what a disadvantage! And the Sovs don't get the T-34/85 until what, late '43? Ouch.</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shosties Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 I can see it now: QBing with Guards units (veterans+ say) with lend lease M4s prior to the 34/85 becoming available will be seen as gamey when the ground conditions are dry. The spotting ability and responsiveness of radio-equipped tanks with a non-distracted and unbuttoned tank commander counts big time. [ September 05, 2002, 08:53 AM: Message edited by: Shosties4th ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shosties Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 It just ocurred to me that there should some months were Sovs get M4s (admittedly 75s and not 76s) and the Germans will not get Panthers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demoss Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 I'm pretty sure I've seen my T-34M40s firing away while unbuttoned in Yelnia, so I'm not sure if the commander-as-gunner is necessarily modeled. I'll pay closer attention next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorBeef Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 Originally posted by Shosties4th: The T-34 M40 commander needs to button in order to fire the main gun. He does double duty as the gunner and needs to attend to the optics and controls in the turret. Not true. Granted, he has to hop into the gunners seat to make a shot, but being buttoned up represents closing and locking all the hatches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 demoss, I'm pretty sure I've seen my T-34M40s firing away while unbuttoned in Yelnia, so I'm not sure if the commander-as-gunner is necessarily modeled. I'll pay closer attention next time.If you do see it, that would be a bug SenorBeef, Not true. Granted, he has to hop into the gunners seat to make a shot, but being buttoned up represents closing and locking all the hatches. CM doesn't have an third state of the TC, so Shotsies is correct. When the tank commander buttons up, he is manning the gunnary system. The time to open and close the hatch isn't very significant. What is significant is that if the TC is at the gun he isn't hanging out the hatch giving C&C signals to other vehicles. Even if we did simulate a state where the hatch is open and the TC is at the gun, C&C would still be non-existant. And yes, undermanned turrets were a huge liability on the battlefield. The French learned this the hard way too since, like the Soviets, they had better armed and armored tanks than the Germans. And just like the Soviets, the Germans were able to decimate the French armored forces in reality when on paper the Germans should have been outmatched. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce70 Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 I'm glad I read this thread it has cleared a lot up. Its funny I already knew about the 4-man turret arrangement in the T34 but for some reason didn't stop to think about the implications for CMBB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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