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In order to further muddy the waters ;)AIUI the lettering sequence in PIRs was a little different to normal IRs. PIBs had support weapons, on broadly the same scale as leg bns, but they weren't grouped into a specific spt coy, they were directly attached to Bn HQ as pns (Mtr Pn, MG Pn).

Thus:

50# PIR

. 1st Bn 50# PIR

. . Bn HQ, A, B, C Coys

. 2nd Bn 50# PIR

. . Bn HQ, D, E, F Coys

. 3rd Bn 50# PIR

. . Bn HQ, G, H, I Coys

By-the-by, Joe Balkoski makes the point the bn designation (and the trailing 'Regiment') was often dropped when talking about companies. So just "G Coy, 22nd Infantry", since G Coy was always in 2nd Bn.

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JonS

[ April 03, 2006, 02:15 PM: Message edited by: JonS ]

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Originally posted by Kingfish:

To muddy the waters even further, go here.

Note that information regarding 101st airborne, or any other military formation, is sparse, but it does have a nice recipe for Fried Bologna Snack. Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm.

Sparse? Mark Bando's Trigger Time website is an encyclopedia devoted to the 101st -if it isn't on the site, try the forum. Bando's written quite a few books on the specific subject of the 101st Airborne in WW II and interviewed probably hundreds of veterans.
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Originally posted by Kingfish:

To muddy the waters even further, go here.

Note that information regarding 101st airborne, or any other military formation, is sparse, but it does have a nice recipe for Fried Bologna Snack. Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm.

Sparse? Mark Bando's Trigger Time website is an encyclopedia devoted to the 101st -if it isn't on the site, try the forum. Bando's written quite a few books on the specific subject of the 101st Airborne in WW II and interviewed probably hundreds of veterans.
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Originally posted by Splinty:

Just to confuse things further, companies are not lettered across a Brigade. For example the companies in 1st battalion 2nd BDE are lettered HQ, A,B,C,D. and so are the companies in 2nd battalion.

You might want to clarify that you are talking about CW brigades here (and it's already been noted above by JDS). If you mean US formations then it's a case of "Veni, Vidi, you talked rot".
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Originally posted by Splinty:

Just to confuse things further, companies are not lettered across a Brigade. For example the companies in 1st battalion 2nd BDE are lettered HQ, A,B,C,D. and so are the companies in 2nd battalion.

You might want to clarify that you are talking about CW brigades here (and it's already been noted above by JDS). If you mean US formations then it's a case of "Veni, Vidi, you talked rot".
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Americal = Americans in Caledonia. IIRC, the division was formed from various garrison formations which defended New Caledonia during the early months of the Pacwar. Why it wasn't given a number? My guess is that it wasn't formed in the states per normal army procedures.

Edit: Another division which was raised in such a manner but didn't receive a number was the CAM (Combined Army / Marine) division, which fought alongside the Americal in Guadacanal.

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Americal = Americans in Caledonia. IIRC, the division was formed from various garrison formations which defended New Caledonia during the early months of the Pacwar. Why it wasn't given a number? My guess is that it wasn't formed in the states per normal army procedures.

Edit: Another division which was raised in such a manner but didn't receive a number was the CAM (Combined Army / Marine) division, which fought alongside the Americal in Guadacanal.

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Originally posted by John Kettler:

JonS,

Your statement appears to be self-contradicting. Based on the information you gave, "G" Company should "always" be in the 3rd Battalion, not the Second as stated.

Nope. Assuming the regular allocation of letters to companies, "G" would be in the 2nd Bn of a normal leg infantry regiment, exactly as Jon said:

1 Bn A, B, C rifle coys, D heavy weapons

2 Bn E, F, G rifle coys, H heavy weapons

3 Bn I, K, L rifle coys, M heavy weapons

{Corrected -- there is no "J"}

"G" would be in the 3rd Bn in an organization with no heavy weapons coys, such as parachute infatry, again as John said.

Contrast this with German practice, where the infantry gun and anti-tank companies were numbered 13 and 14 even in two-battalion regiments where companies 9 to 12 were missing.

All the best,

John.

[ April 03, 2006, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: John D Salt ]

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Originally posted by John Kettler:

JonS,

Your statement appears to be self-contradicting. Based on the information you gave, "G" Company should "always" be in the 3rd Battalion, not the Second as stated.

Nope. Assuming the regular allocation of letters to companies, "G" would be in the 2nd Bn of a normal leg infantry regiment, exactly as Jon said:

1 Bn A, B, C rifle coys, D heavy weapons

2 Bn E, F, G rifle coys, H heavy weapons

3 Bn I, K, L rifle coys, M heavy weapons

{Corrected -- there is no "J"}

"G" would be in the 3rd Bn in an organization with no heavy weapons coys, such as parachute infatry, again as John said.

Contrast this with German practice, where the infantry gun and anti-tank companies were numbered 13 and 14 even in two-battalion regiments where companies 9 to 12 were missing.

All the best,

John.

[ April 03, 2006, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: John D Salt ]

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