Zwollo2003 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 All, I would like to use mods of Panther D early for Panther D late (for some reason, D early is popular and modded very often whereas D late is modded hardly at all). Can I do it merely by renumbering .bmps? Or are there differences between 3d models of both types which do not allow that? And if it is technically possible, will the skins developed for D early applied to D late be historically inaccurate? Thanks in advance, Zwolo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 That´s an interesting topic... as far as I know, the 3d models are the same, so simple renumbering should do the job. Actually I think there is no 'historical Panther D early' apart from the version that was designated Panther D1 - and it just doesn´t seem likely BFC is referring to that version. Historically speaking, a late model D and early A should be the same - though there might have been a few D´s upgraded with A parts. I can´t confirm that with photographic footage, but only drawings so far. Maybe in time I´ll stumble over a few photographs. As it is, I just can point to a few very excellent books I value very much and regard them as very accurate... Does that answer your question? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwollo2003 Posted November 30, 2005 Author Share Posted November 30, 2005 Originally posted by Earl Grey: Does that answer your question? Yes, it does. Thanks a lot, I will try renumbering then and see whether that works. Cheers, Zwolo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 There are some differences in the D and the D late models. The cupola vision blocks are different, for one thing. I hope you will post back how it looked after renumbering, as the bmp's may not wrap around the other model quite the way they should. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Doesn't the late G have a 'chin' mantlet and the early a standard roundedd one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Originally posted by MikeyD: Doesn't the late G have a 'chin' mantlet and the early a standard roundedd one? Yes, but the D's are all rounded mantlets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwollo2003 Posted December 6, 2005 Author Share Posted December 6, 2005 Originally posted by Vergeltungswaffe: There are some differences in the D and the D late models. The cupola vision blocks are different, for one thing. I hope you will post back how it looked after renumbering, as the bmp's may not wrap around the other model quite the way they should. The Panther after renumbering seems all right and the skins wrap around fine. I think the different cupola vision blocks (narrow slits in D early, wide in D late) are just a feature of the skins, not the model, so if you load a mod with narrow slits instead of wide slits, the tank will look perfectly OK, just with the narrow vision slits. The other difference I spotted is the communication hatch on the left hand side of turret - present in D early, but not in D late. That's also a feature of the skins, not the 3D model and the Panther will look all right. Summing up, you should not have a problem with weird looking tanks, but possibly with some anachronic details (and I am not even sure whether they are ahistorical- my knowledge of the Panther is not sufficient to confirm whether there is a clear-cut division and all early-production tanks really had narrow vision slits and communication hatch, whereas all D models produced later had wide slits and no hatch). Zwolo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Excellent. I don't mind a slightly off model that looks better than what's available for the D late. Thanks for posting your results. :cool: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 I´ve done extensive research on the Panther and you just wouldn´t believe how many minor details differentiate one tank from another - it even seems probable the different factories used different armor thickness. Though this is yet to be confirmed... Also you mustn´t forget upgrading/retrofitting. An early model A could as well have been an upgraded model D. But even the ´late´ model D (if you prefer to call it that way optically is not substantially different from the ´early´ model D - just minor details like rain covers over the optics and hatches, deleted smoke launchers etc. If anyone is interested I can point to a few VERY good books on that matter or maybe post a conclusive report of my findings... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Salt Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Originally posted by Earl Grey: [snips] If anyone is interested I can point to a few VERY good books on that matter or maybe post a conclusive report of my findings... Yes please. Especially if it will enable me to work out how to build my Matchbox 1/76th Panthers without further enriching Messrs. Jentz and Spielberger by purchasing their mighty tomes. All the best, John. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Okay, I will do. Excatly what are you interested in? Maybe I can just open a new thread and post the findings with a few pictures... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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