ichadwick Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Okay - I have a scenario with one bridge and a few fords over a river. It's a small, steel-girder light bridge. Without exception, every unit under AI control will bypass it and go across the fords - where several armour units will usually get stuck. I can manually move the tanks and other vehicles over the bridges without problems (do bridges ever break under the load?). Are they avoiding it because it's light? If I upgrade it to medium, will they cross? Or does it have to be heavy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pakfan Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 I've never seen bridges break under the load of tanks. Only under heavy fire . I think the AI usually simply tries to take the shortest way, without considering the safest way to travel (without bogging or taking cover, etc). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubertracker Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 I've seen it too. The road across a bridge is the shortest path, but AI tanks will go a longer way around to avoid it. At least they will with a light bridge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Is it possible to damage bridges? I have tried in a couple of tests but nothing seems to work. James 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pakfan Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 You can damage bridges, and you can blow them up. Play around with a Sturmtiger or some heavy artillery, or shoot it with a lot of tanks. After a while, that thing will blow up. If I have the chance to play CMBB, I'll post screenshots this evening CET (ie within the next three hours)... [ January 13, 2003, 10:20 AM: Message edited by: pakfan ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Is there anyway to get engineers to blow a bridge? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Pilot Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 If the engineers have demo charges, they can. Have them area target the bridge and, as long as the range is short enough (25m, I think), it should say "Use Explosives" under the targeting line. Click and watch the demo charges fly. The number of demo charges needed to demolish a bridge depends on the type of bridge, but I think 2 to 4 generally does it. Ace 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Cool. Thanks guys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pakfan Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 I've tried to destroy a heavy bridge with a bunch of Strumtigers. It takes a while . OK, this is what it looks like: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ichadwick Posted January 14, 2003 Author Share Posted January 14, 2003 Sigh. Another thread goes off on a tangent... See if I can bring it back: Anyone have any comments about why tanks won't cross a bridge???? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 I think the TacAi sees bridges as a big danger area and would rather use any other approach rout. At least that is what it looks like in the game. If it has no choice the AI will use a bridge but this seems to be a last resort if it does have a choice. I don't know if this is intentional or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ichadwick Posted January 14, 2003 Author Share Posted January 14, 2003 Very strange. I changed it to a medium bridge and re-arranged the greenery to make it less a target zone. AI tanks will still drive from one side of the map, through open killing zones, right past the bridge, to attempt to cross the ford on the far side of the map. Damned difficult to understand this AI at times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Maybe you need to surround the fords with infantry only terrain (forests and such). :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ichadwick Posted January 15, 2003 Author Share Posted January 15, 2003 Ah, but would that be "realistic"? IMHO, the tanks should follow the road because it's faster and easier travel. The river is in a steep valley with limited (and slow) access. Still working on this one... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mies Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 If you really want to see the strange AI behavior sometimes check this bridge screenie . I took it after playin the "Message from Goetz" scenario. Is this strange or what? And I was wondering where Iwan was at the whole time :confused: Edit: I cannot type Mies [ January 17, 2003, 02:15 PM: Message edited by: Mies ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Going slightly off-topic. As an old CMBO player I was mighty surprised last night to see a tank successfully drive UNDER a bridge (which passed over the roadway). This is something that could not be done in CMBO. Could you always do this in CMBB? All these months of playing and it never came up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gpig Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 That's strange, MikeyD. I've always been able to drive tanks under bridges (when there is a roadway under the bridge span). In CMBO AND CMBB. No problem. You've never been able to do that? It might have something to do with where you place the waypoints. I always place one waypoint infront of the bridge span, and one waypoint on the other side of the bridge span. Never right UNDER the bridge as it tends to get funky A.I. action that way. Gpig 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 It's been so long since I've played CMBO I can barely remember now, but I recall either the vehicle would move heaven and earth in an effort to get around the overhead bridge span, or they'd magically pop 'onto' the bridge as they pass through the terrain element. Am I crazy for remembering it that way? :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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