Tank Ace Posted October 11, 2003 Share Posted October 11, 2003 I find that SMG platoons that defend territory and wait till enemy is close enough are very good for defense because of their automatic fire is unchallenged. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted October 11, 2003 Share Posted October 11, 2003 I've called them "concentrated essence of infantry". They hold the covered terrain they are in, very well. They do not, however, influence the area around them in the same way LMG and rifle infantry does. It would have to get up and move to hold the same area. In a big body of cover they can do that, but in smaller ones reveal them that way isn't practical. You can easily remedy this, though, if you use them along with a few HMG teams or light guns, to handle the "distant" battle. You don't have to reveal the SMGers to use the ranged weapons. You save precious squad infantry ammo. And by not being in exactly the same spot you avoid giving good targets to enemy arty by staying hidden longer. You can also employ the reverse slope principle for the SMG portion. I love 'em. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaylord Focker Posted October 11, 2003 Share Posted October 11, 2003 Originally posted by TANK ACE: I find that SMG platoons that defend territory and wait till enemy is close enough are very good for defense because of their automatic fire is unchallenged. Not when they are surpressed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted October 11, 2003 Share Posted October 11, 2003 And what is going to suppress them when they've never pulled a trigger, so nobody knows they are there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 And the SMG platoon plus HMG is better off. Because the HMG reveals itself to pin the scout, the SMGs do not. At range, the HMG may even remain a sound contact. You can cover rifle infantry the same way, it is true. But the rifles can't cover themselves at range without showing themselves to a scout. Squad infantry wants to stay hidden. Range is most useful when you are stealthy even when firing, or don't much care whether you stay hidden. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaylord Focker Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Originally posted by JasonC: And what is going to suppress them when they've never pulled a trigger, so nobody knows they are there? With this line of thinking you would lose so bad to me if we ever played. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Gaylord - so send me a file and show me how it is done. jasoncawley@comcast.net I defend, players choose forces, preferably modest size to go quickly, time place side and force must allow SMG infantry for me - otherwise suit yourself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletRat Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I demand an AAR! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by BulletRat: I demand an AAR! I would be interested in this as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by Adam_L: lol, ten bucks on Cawley. Thermopylae had a good thread on ridding the forum of problem posters. Perhaps Jason would care to make a little wager on this one? Jason, if you win, I'll give you the ten bucks (US) that Adam wants to bet on you. But there are certain conditions... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Dorosh, clam up and send me another file. Same conditions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaylord Focker Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by JasonC: Gaylord - so send me a file and show me how it is done. jasoncawley@comcast.net I defend, players choose forces, preferably modest size to go quickly, time place side and force must allow SMG infantry for me - otherwise suit yourself. OK, my army will show you how it is done, or die trying! Expect a setup tomorrow sometime. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by JasonC: Dorosh, clam up and send me another file. Same conditions. Leave me out of it! Just don't f*** this one up for us, Cawley!! Nonetheless...I am sure I could learn some useful things from you. Send me a setup at madorosh@shaw.ca; I will be a bit busy the next week or so and out of town completely next weekend, but can hopefully do 1 or 2 turns a night, your sched permitting. Perhaps I can be the control group for your experiment? [ October 13, 2003, 01:00 AM: Message edited by: Michael Dorosh ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletRat Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I nominate Dorosh as reporter for the battle progress... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Michael's has been sent. Awaiting GFs... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero's Cat Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Now this just gets more interesting by the minute! Can't wait for the AARs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I am looking for the "Surrender" button in the force purchase screen, but can't find it. Anyone who can help please email me at once! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Damn', I think this will be good Martin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcm Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Excellent, action at last ! I've always wanted to see JasonC fight-- I learned most tricks I know from reading his posts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcm Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Excellent, action at last ! I've always wanted to see JasonC fight-- I learned most tricks I know from reading his posts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Here's the battlefield, as viewed from my front line...I think I see a tree on the other side of town! (gulp) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Ace Posted October 13, 2003 Author Share Posted October 13, 2003 GOOD GOD those graphics are horrible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaylord Focker Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by JasonC: Michael's has been sent. Awaiting GFs... Check your e-mail smg fanboy! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Thanks for the file GF. But German mech at that date does not have an SMG infantry type. Please try again. Thanks. MD and I are underway, incidentally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 First turn, Mike is dropping FO smoke on my left and crossing the open ground there in strength. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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