marco Posted February 25, 2001 Share Posted February 25, 2001 I've read the topic "best TD for axis" and so now I would like to know Your opinions: against other tanks the best tank -looking also to the price- is? ThankYou! Marco 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pillar Posted February 25, 2001 Share Posted February 25, 2001 Nashorn for Axis. M18 for Allies. (Cost Incl) Panther is nice for some extra points, will keep small calibre stuff at bay. Firefly makes a nice allied tank. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt.Tom Posted February 25, 2001 Share Posted February 25, 2001 Got to be StugIII, can do it all, kill infantry, kill tanks, and it is cheap. I know it doesn't have a turret but when used correctly it is deadly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagdwyrm Posted February 25, 2001 Share Posted February 25, 2001 economically good vehicles are Hetzer and StuH42 and M24 chaffee and M18 hellcat..IMHO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaBellum Posted February 25, 2001 Share Posted February 25, 2001 I like the Stug III, too. Dirt cheap, low profile, good gun and armour. Equally effective against infantry and armour. You gotta place it in a good position because it´s got no turret. Always provide flanking cover against allied rushes. Of course I REALLY like the Panther, but for the points of a Panther, you can buy two Stugs. ------------------ Klotzen, nicht kleckern! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
109 Gustav Posted February 25, 2001 Share Posted February 25, 2001 The M7 Priest. Cover it with an AT gun, and you can rout an infantry squad after two shots. Dirt cheap, too. ------------------ Well my skiff's a twenty dollar boat, And I hope to God she stays afloat. But if somehow my skiff goes down, I'll freeze to death before I drown. And pray my body will be found, Alaska salmon fishing, boys, Alaska salmon fishing. The Last Defense- Mods, Scenarios, and more! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisbech_lad Posted February 26, 2001 Share Posted February 26, 2001 Hmm, he asked for "best vs other tanks" so that counts out SPG like Priest. But counting TD's as tanks, and including price: M18 Comet Comet is especially sweet. 80% price of a Panther, 75% of a Sherman E8, better gun than both (at CM ranges), same speed and ground pressure. Thin armour, but that's something you get used to as the allies. By the time you get to 1945, most tanks are eggshells with hammers. Thus the reverse CM arms race to Stug III, M18 etc. Why pay for any extra armour when just about anything can kill anything? Better to go for more guns. In Jun/Jul 44 though, there is a clear advantage to getting a Tiger or Panther, as they can shrug off majority of allied threats frontally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron Posted February 26, 2001 Share Posted February 26, 2001 I've been using the PzIV/70 TD of late. Kind of a more tank destroyer oriented Stug. Not too expensive 120 I think. Challenger for the allies. I love that boxy look! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrapGame Posted February 26, 2001 Share Posted February 26, 2001 The IV/70 runs around 150 pts or so. They are great for long range tank killing. THe plain jane Jpz IV is around 120 pts, and it has sufficient punch to take out just about anything shy of a Jumbo at all ranges. A pretty good value, IMHO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Star Posted February 27, 2001 Share Posted February 27, 2001 Best Tank - for the money I don't know how to beat the Churchill VII and VIII. Ideally played in Panther 76 rules, these bests shrug off most hits and keep on shooting. The 95mm in the VIII will tear apart infantry and has amazing punch against armor - and is much tougher than the more expensive M4-105. Had a VIII take out a Jagdpanther the other day in PBEM. That had to hurt! ------------------ "Act after having made assessments. The one who first knows the measures of far and near wins - this the rule of armed struggle." Sun Tzu - The Art of War 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturmtiger101 Posted March 2, 2001 Share Posted March 2, 2001 Mornin' all. IMHO the Tiger I is my fav all round afv for playing the German side. A bit more expensive, yes, but I like the combination of good to very good armor protection front and sides, as well as the L/56 88mm main gun that has excellent ap and he performance. Slow turret? Well, if I can afford it I buy two so that they can cover each other' tail. Or buy one and a couple MkIV or StuGIII to give flank protection. The Tigers usually have around a 50/50 mix of ap/he and 190+ mg ammo, I cover their flanks as above, provide an infantry escort and perhaps some mortar equipped FO and let those cats rock on...Ah, well. Cheers, E Tuggle 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mlapanzer Posted March 2, 2001 Share Posted March 2, 2001 Big Ron I hope your right about that Challanger I have 2 of them going up against a Tiger in a pbem right now. Haven't played the Brits much but for the Americans I like the Hellcats and Chaffee's when available. The Tiger is great in a defensive roll but on the offense I think your better with the value you get from the PZ 4's and of course the Panthers if you have the points. The big drawback of the Hellcat and other open top TD's is there succeptability to Arty fire. You have to keep them spaced out and on the move. IMHO ------- "Who put orange juice in my orange juice" W.C. Fields 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron Posted March 3, 2001 Share Posted March 3, 2001 If you're up against a Tiger, all bets are off. Get on the flanks or you're dead! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-00 Posted March 4, 2001 Share Posted March 4, 2001 For US: I love teaming Chafees, Hellcats and Greyhounds. Throw in some tasty M8 GMC's and you've got a tank killing and infantry killin machine. For Brits: The Challenger is great but I feel gamey picking it seeing that only 200 ever saw action. That said the Comet Chuch VIII team is good. For Germans: I like the Tiger it's balanced and it's flanks aren't as fragile. The allies always have a numerical superiority and the panther is too vunerable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliakbar Posted March 4, 2001 Share Posted March 4, 2001 Well, I dunno about tigers.I had an epic slugging match in one of my scenarios yesterday between it and a Churchill VII. After 5turns of ricochets the Churchill took out its main gun and finished it off.(btw this was front on front) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleavis Posted March 4, 2001 Share Posted March 4, 2001 well, i couldn't say exactly, as i haven't gotten the game yet (its in the mail, on the way as we speak) but historically, i would say the best tank, at least for my purposes, would be the sherman Firefly, it is fast, it has a gun equal to the german 88, fast turret rotation, and decent armor, this is why i would think it's probably the best overall tank. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pud Posted March 5, 2001 Share Posted March 5, 2001 Churchill's and Panthers. I learnt to respect panthers when my opponent drove past my 3 piats, 11 shots later (range 40-100m all at side armour) it was still driving away. He didnt know where the shots where coming from as piats remain hidden quite easily. The panther then came face to face with my Jumbo which it destroyed in three shots, jumbo only managed to immobilise Panther (range <50M), to be eventually be taken out by my Daimler from the side. Was not my day I expect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleavis Posted March 5, 2001 Share Posted March 5, 2001 yea, the panther is good against tanks... VERY good against enemy tanks... but i can't help but notice that it's main gun more or less sucks against infantry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grunto2 Posted March 6, 2001 Share Posted March 6, 2001 in low visibility (fog or night) the m24 chaffee. in high visibility the m18 hellcat. both are very fast and have decent guns. the m24s don't carry much ammo so aren't good for prolonged engagements. they're great though for moving fast and taking flanking and rear shots. another great vehicle in low-visibility is the m8 HMC. point for point this 'ag' rocks against german armor in the night or the fog. it's quick, has 'decent' armor, and the 75mm is great against infantry; with a couple of 'c' rounds it can stalk axis heavy armor. it runs out of ammo fairly early though. in high visibility the m8 hmc suffers because of its short gun (bad accuracy at longer ranges). at short range though its nasty, especially if it has 1 or more 'c' rounds. the sherman 105 is arguably the best all-around american tank, especially with 'c' ammo. for the british i like the 95mm infantry support tanks... cromwell IV or something? that 95mm commonwealth 'c' ammo is deadly. andy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Jozic Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 I haven't been playing for long, but for defensive ops and for breaking through initial defences (strong enemy tanks or guns) the King Tiger would be my choice... It's damn expensive, but it can withstand almost everything upfront... It has a slow traverse turret (i believe he needs 19 secs for the whole turn) so it's sensitive to flank attacks (sensitive for stronger guns - 76mm and above)... I build up a quick small battle with Jumbos (76) and Jacksons and I put up various German tanks... Jacksons are vurneable but they pack a strong gun... Tiger I blew up immediately, and the others followed him soon enough, but the Tiger II stood still and kill them all... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSpkr Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 The Stuart. Okay, Okay, pick yourselves up from the floor. Stop laughing. Stuarts are dirt cheap, fast, and, if used in numbers, can take out any Axis tank as long as proper group tactics are used. MrSpkr 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaker Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 I still love the Tiger I but the Panther is such a much more capable, all-around tank. Excellent sloped armor and weapon to pop open any Allied soda can. Not the fastest turret in CMBO but much faster than the Tigers and acquires targets faster, instant death to any soda cans. Yes I've taken the "almighty" Pershing heavy tank frontally with my medium tank... the Panther on numerous occasions. Excellent speed and mobility and along the Tiger I it almost NEVER bogs for me due to good ground pressure (lessons from the Ostfront). Some complain about the 75mm's lack of punch against infantry. Don't care about you but all those infantry getting shot up by my Panthers aren't saying that its gun is ineffective against them. Besides, it's got MGs. Also, the close defense mortars (starts with an N) are quite effective against foolish infantry trying to rush it. The Panthers are a bit more pricey than the Tigers but are worth it in situations where you want a tank that can do it all. This view is of course from a person who prefers quality over quantity... and am still irate about the short-changing of the Tiger I stats. [ 04-17-2001: Message edited by: Warmaker ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 Definatly the Churchill AVRE for its novelty value! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte99 Posted April 18, 2001 Share Posted April 18, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MrSpkr: The Stuart. Okay, Okay, pick yourselves up from the floor. Stop laughing. Stuarts are dirt cheap, fast, and, if used in numbers, can take out any Axis tank as long as proper group tactics are used. MrSpkr<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm with you. Couldn't believe no one mentioned the Stuart earlier. For the money, it's best tank in the game... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Beginna Posted April 18, 2001 Share Posted April 18, 2001 Also, the close defense mortars (starts with an N) are quite effective against foolish infantry trying to rush it. ---------------------------------------- N stands for NAHVERTEIDIGUNGSWAFFE: Nah - Close Verteidigung - Defense Waffe- Weapon Put it all together if you can, damn ami null 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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