Kuniworth Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 I challenge you to see if your point of view is still valid. TCP/IP preferably, u allies with no bid, me axis. Let's see if you can win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAK_21PzDivision Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Hello, Please, excuse my insolence , but... I challenge you to see if your point of view is still valid. As you say that here where everybody can read that... i want to know what are you discussing... Thank you, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curry Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 I have not seen Oak around this forum for a long time. Hanging out I'm sure somewhere in Singapore where he lives. Miss him. [ May 03, 2004, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: Curry ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted May 3, 2004 Author Share Posted May 3, 2004 DAK; Oak claims that allies can win without any bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_Rannug Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Not only claimed it, he proved it against Kuni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAK_21PzDivision Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Tank you very much, Kuniworth. By the way, i am agree with Oak... Perhaps i was lucky but i have win games without bidding... (and i have loose a lot of them too, for example with curry ) Of course is more difficult but not impossible. i suposse... Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted May 3, 2004 Author Share Posted May 3, 2004 If you want we can play and you can try to prove your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAK_21PzDivision Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 I suppossed that you will say that... But i know that your level is high, or very high... , and i have played only 6 - 8 games vs humans... Perhaps you get bored playing with me... :confused: And i can play just by PBEM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaMonkey Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 The Allies can win, but it is about luck, especially in the Jet tech category, LR helps too. If you don't stay with the German levels or get ahead, bend over,... put your head between your legs,.. and kiss your ass goodbye. Back in the sixties they called this "Duck and Cover" to supposedly survive a nuclear attack.....yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sombra Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Sorry, IMHO the allied player can win without a bid only if: - With a very, very bad axis player - Very, very, very, very ++++ bad luck. Up to now the bidding for axis now is around 200 MP for 1:5:20 and still the axis wins 80% of the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curry Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Although Oak happened to beat Kuni in that game with no bid, Kuni is right. I would guess without a bid the Axis would win 9 out of 10 times with players who know the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Hey, if you kids can't play nice in these sandlot games...I'm going to crack some Allied heads with no bids. Legend will absolutely roll anybody in the world without a bid. Remember my first post 2-years ago? I never lose as Germans? 7-patches later, the same story is still true. The Rambo patch never happened, thus the German statement is still true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAK_21PzDivision Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Hi, I suppose that if the "bid system" exists there must be a reason for that. Give me some time to finish my current games and after that, perhaps, i will offer an "open challenge" between this defenseless player and any of you "Master of Universe" of SC Bye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonheart Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Up to 350 bid (350/1750/7000) it should be possible to win with axis vs an intermediate player. With no bid you will win 1 game out of 100...but your chances to win in lotto will be higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted May 4, 2004 Author Share Posted May 4, 2004 Originally posted by jon_j_rambo: Remember my first post 2-years ago? I never lose as Germans? 7-patches later, the same story is still true. The Rambo patch never happened, thus the German statement is still true. War is hell. Grab an airfleet and click click...war is won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blashy Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 350 bid? Holly crap! Ok, I want to play one of the top players (Rambo, DragonHeart, Kuni, Zapp, Curr...) who will give me that bid for Allies. PBEM Rambo? I've always wanted to see this RACK strategy in action, how about it? And I'm rusty, just ask Terif, I'm blundering all over the place in our game as Allies. Not that it would make a difference if I were not, heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terif Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 If it is possible to win as Allies without a bid, fully depends on the experience of both players - especially the axis player. The main advantage of Allies is the surprise effect and their mobility. Unexperienced players dont know how to counter allied strategies (depends also on allied players experience), they make mistakes in conquering neutrals and concerning russian readiness. Therefore if new players play a game, no bid is necessary. In this case even Allies are usually in the advantage and will win the game. After some games they will have learned the basics, so chances are 50/50 who will win. Then balance shifts towards axis and the more experience the Axis player has the bigger axis advantage will be (can be reduced by the allied players experience). Thats the reason why the size of the bid highly depends on the experience of both players since axis only has an advantage when the axis player knows how to play his side and the advantage increases with the experience. Some average values (Mai 2004): -new vs new: no bid necessary (Allies even can be in the advantage here) -intermediate vs intermediate: bid 200 system 1:8 or 1:10 (or ~100 in 1:5:20) -veteran vs veteran: bid 200 system 1:5:20 Summary: Every veteran player should have no problem to win as Allies against a new player without any bid. Even in new vs new games, allies have a slight advantage without additional mpp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terif Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Originally posted by Blashy: 350 bid? Holly crap! Ok, I want to play one of the top players (Rambo, DragonHeart, Kuni, Zapp, Curr...) who will give me that bid for Allies. PBEM ... Hi Blashy, Bid 350 is ~9000 mpps in total... I never would give UK so much mpp (together with US/russian mpp), since then it becomes possible to crush Germany in France. But we can play a high bonus game with 10.000 mpp for Russia only if you want to try it (I already did it sometimes... ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 The sounds like another tourney brewing...BeatTheWeakSenseLess tourney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Anybody giving me (including Terif) the Axis with no bid will get the original RSA treatment. RSA = Rambo Shock & Awe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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