(temporary) Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Hello, Would someone please explain how they delay Russian DOW until mid 42. It seems as soon as Romania and Hungary join the axis, Russian readiness goes up 10 points a turn. The same thing happens when you invade Spain. Is the secret to invade Hungary? Help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriantheWise Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 I didn't know you actually could delay Russia until mid 42. That's a nice trick, and I would love to learn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Trapp Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 I am currently playing against CVM in the SC Christmas Tournament and was lucky enough to delay Russia's entry until April 1942. I did this by resisting the urge of invading any neutral countries with an exception of the Low Countries. I did this hoping that Russia would not enter the war at all. In the end Russia did enter and the United States seems to be preparing for war as well. If you ask me I don't think its worth the lost MMPs that it takes to delay the USSR's entry, because when the USSR does declare war and you do not have the extra MMPs backing you, Russia can easily out produce earily on. I DO NOT recommend this tatic unless the you are ready to go on the offensive on the onset of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayJay_H Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Here we have a good example for one of Jersey Johns Ten or Twelve Permanent and Unmovable Forums. This sjubject had been already discussed in detail. I delayed russian entry until oct 1942 once, simply mass your war machine along the border and the bolshevists will have the jitters. That means they wont declare war and axis has enough time to build up. When the conflict finally breaks out, a skilled german player can nearly be unstoppable. Not only against AI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 JayJay_H Motion seconded! Thanks for furthering the concept. Ideally one for Allies and one for Axis, if we're space conscious a general strategy forum would do. Organization! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayJay_H Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Originally posted by Comrade Trapp: I did this hoping that Russia would not enter the war at all.Impossible with random settings. You must be joking right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayJay_H Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 JerseyJohn, Its always a pleasure to further your concepts, for theyre always qualified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 JayJay_H Thanks for the Good Word and Likewise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl G. E. von Mannerheim Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Originally posted by Comrade Trapp: I am currently playing against CVM in the SC Christmas Tournament and was lucky enough to delay Russia's entry until April 1942. I did this by resisting the urge of invading any neutral countries with an exception of the Low Countries. I did this hoping that Russia would not enter the war at all. In the end Russia did enter and the United States seems to be preparing for war as well. If you ask me I don't think its worth the lost MMPs that it takes to delay the USSR's entry, because when the USSR does declare war and you do not have the extra MMPs backing you, Russia can easily out produce earily on. I DO NOT recommend this tatic unless the you are ready to go on the offensive on the onset of war.Grrr, dont listen to him!!!! I want---erhm, i mean its ok not to invade any extra countries. But seriously though, The Krauts need Norwegian MPPs to last any amount of time with Russia. Cvm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satchel Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Is it inevitable that the USSR enters the war? In my current game (vs. the AI of course) I am in August 1941 and France is still holding back Germany. I am using every Allied resource to defend France; as the Allies, I invaded the Lows. The USSR is steady at 50% and the US only at 4% (or was it 6%?). For a while the US was at -6%, and I wondered: if I went on a rampage as the Allies, invading several neutrals, could I drive the US to -100%, and make the Americans join the Axis? And another thing I never heard answered: will the AI Axis ever Sea Lion? Everyone here that posted said they’d never seen it happen, and I guess that’s all the evidence that we have available, but my impression is that the theoretical question remains open. I might see it happen in this game if France falls, because Britain is sacrificing everything to defend the continent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konstantin V. Kotelnikov Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Originally posted by satchel: And another thing I never heard answered: will the AI Axis ever Sea Lion? I have never seen the AI go for Britian Proper, but I have seen several instances of them going for Gibraltor and Malta if you leave the unoccupied. Also Tunisia. Maybe someday down the line if I get time I will leave the British Isles undefended and see if the AI will go for it. Silly AI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueristic Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Originally posted by satchel: Is it inevitable that the USSR enters the war? For a while the US was at -6%, and I wondered: if I went on a rampage as the Allies, invading several neutrals, could I drive the US to -100%, and make the Americans join the Axis? OK now u have me wondering i'm going to try it. BRB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satchel Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 Thanks H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konstantin V. Kotelnikov Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 How many neutrals does one have to attack to get the U.S. to go to -100%? That's just an ugly thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueristic Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 OK first turn i declared war on every country on the board allowed and it brought USA to -163. USSR could have cared less Lol. funny they only collect 502 with all nuetrals somehow i thought it should be higher. Guess they really need france and polands mpp's. Well i did like 10 turns and usa stayed at -163 but never joined axis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konstantin V. Kotelnikov Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 Originally posted by Hueristic: OK first turn i declared war on every country on the board allowed and it brought USA to -163. USSR could have cared less Lol. funny they only collect 502 with all nuetrals somehow i thought it should be higher. Guess they really need france and polands mpp's. Well i did like 10 turns and usa stayed at -163 but never joined axis I just get an ugly mental picture of Hitler sending a "Thank You" letter to Chamberlain. And then all the Minor countries mobilizing their armies under the cries of "YIPES, Britian has gone colonial again!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konstantin V. Kotelnikov Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 Originally posted by Konstatin V. Kotelnikov: I just get an ugly mental picture of Hitler sending a "Thank You" letter to Chamberlain. It's from Herr Hitler, and it says "Thank You" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueristic Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 Dammit i should have never done this now i'm trying to win this stupid game. I can't stop!! Somebody STOP Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compassion Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 Originally posted by Hueristic: OK first turn i declared war on every country on the board allowed and it brought USA to -163. USSR could have cared less Lol. funny they only collect 502 with all nuetrals somehow i thought it should be higher. Guess they really need france and polands mpp's. Well i did like 10 turns and usa stayed at -163 but never joined axis As Germany expands, US percentage (as well as USSR) goes up. Since US percentages are so far back, it will obviously be impossible for the US to come in as there is no territory left for the GErmans to attack other than Russia. But there is a second mechanism where odds go up and that's time. AFter mid '41 you should notice a rise in percentage each turn (for both the US and USSR)whether or not the Germans even move a unit. Of course starting from -163 it'll be a while before all the players are in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 Originally posted by Hueristic: Dammit i should have never done this now i'm trying to win this stupid game. I can't stop!! Somebody STOP Me "Hueristic, my fine fellow, you did us a good turn and now we're returning the favor. Stop driving yourself insane with that stupid game and join us." "Oh yes, Heuristic, we've heard your appeal for help and we really would be so pleased if you came to the party!" "Yes old chap, this time it is you who are needed elsewhere." [ December 26, 2002, 06:03 PM: Message edited by: JerseyJohn ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satchel Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 JerseyJohn, oh my. Let me clarify a couple of points. It was June 1941, not August, in the game situation I described above. And when I returned to the game after work yesterday, the USSR’s percentage, though still at 50% (of course), shot up very quickly every turn, until they had joined the war by August ’41. So the situation went from looking very unusual to something standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 Satchel -- JerseyJohn, oh my . ... as in ... ". . . lions and tigers and JerseyJohn, Oh My!" [ December 27, 2002, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: JerseyJohn ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Trapp Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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