Ksak Posted February 9, 2001 Share Posted February 9, 2001 I love the Random Factor in this game. Especially when the "perfect" plan goes to pieces because of it. Stop complaining when one of your Invincibles goes down. Heck, I lost 2 Hetzers to a Daimler in the same turn. Damned thing was moving besides, and took them out with frontal shots from the opposite diagonal corner of the map! How many times can that happen? It adds to the richness of the experience. I do love it more when it happens to the other guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Petersson Posted February 9, 2001 Share Posted February 9, 2001 This is typical for all good games. - When I win it's a result of my superior skill. - When I lose it's a result of bad luck. These statements never fail! Cheers Olle ------------------ Webmaster of Combat Mission för svensktalande, a CM site in Swedish. Norwegians, Finns, Danes and Icelanders are also welcome as members, others can still enjoy pictures and downloads. Strategy is the art of avoiding a fair fight... Detta har kånntrollerats av Majkråsofft späll-tjäcker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted February 9, 2001 Share Posted February 9, 2001 Originally posted by Ksak: I love the Random Factor in this game. Especially when the "perfect" plan goes to pieces because of it. Stop complaining when one of your Invincibles goes down. Heck, I lost 2 Hetzers to a Daimler in the same turn. Damned thing was moving besides, and took them out with frontal shots from the opposite diagonal corner of the map! How many times can that happen? It adds to the richness of the experience. I do love it more when it happens to the other guy. Agree totally with you. Sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipper Posted February 9, 2001 Share Posted February 9, 2001 Yup. Like when your 120mm mortar lands a test shot EXACTLY on the roof of your Jumbo Sherman, some 350 meters off the fire mission target. Ah, yes, forgot to mention: there was an MG1919 and a Platoon HQ riding that Jumbo. R.I.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefly Posted February 9, 2001 Share Posted February 9, 2001 Originally posted by Ksak: Heck, I lost 2 Hetzers to a Daimler in the same turn. Damned thing was moving besides, and took them out with frontal shots from the opposite diagonal corner of the map! Those Daimlers are great, I just took out a hull down Marder with one, again from the opposite side of the map . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bredberg Posted February 9, 2001 Share Posted February 9, 2001 I can feel a tone of humor here..... Random factor is great, however the random factor in CM should be tweaked in some areas. I still believe that the gun damage sign is shown way too often. How about include stuff like, gunner out of action, optics broken, and such - not just gun damage - for me it sounds like some has pierced your gun with a LUCKY shot - how often would that happen in real life???? In CM it happens in almost every battle. And the random factor should have a limit in armour vs shot, a 7.62mm will never ever knock-out a Tiger. No it have not happen to me, but... certain guns simply don't have enough penetration energy. Cheers Jonas [This message has been edited by bredberg (edited 02-09-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clark Posted February 9, 2001 Share Posted February 9, 2001 This may not be entirely on topic, but: Playing a scenario, I had some TD's firing at a Panther from a treeline. The panther was in a city, and had no idea where the fire was coming from. The shots kept bouncing off or breaking up... I finally got a tread hit and immobilized the beast. The TD's kept pummeling the tank with ricochetes until the crew finally bailed (NOT a KO... the crew just bailed... I suspect because of the immobilized + no idea where fire was coming from.) It's stuff like this that makes CM better than any other wargame... every single battle is unique. ------------------ "Fear is for the enemy... Fear and Bullets." "They didn't want to come... but I told em, by jeepers, it was an order." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrew Hedges Posted February 9, 2001 Share Posted February 9, 2001 Originally posted by bredberg: I can feel a tone of humor here..... Random factor is great, however the random factor in CM should be tweaked in some areas. I still believe that the gun damage sign is shown way too often. How about include stuff like, gunner out of action, optics broken, and such - not just gun damage - for me it sounds like some has pierced your gun with a LUCKY shot - how often would that happen in real life???? In CM it happens in almost every battle. And the random factor should have a limit in armour vs shot, a 7.62mm will never ever knock-out a Tiger. No it have not happen to me, but... certain guns simply don't have enough penetration energy. Cheers Jonas [This message has been edited by bredberg (edited 02-09-2001).] I think the gun damage works about right. There are actually lots and lots of photographs showing tanks with blown up guns. And if you look at larger bored vehicles from the front, the gun -- not just the mantlet, but the actual barrel -- takes up a largish amount of space. And while the barrels are made of thick metal, they are not as thick as the front of late-war tanks, and thus should be able to be damaged by weapons that otherwise could not penetrate the front of a vehicle. I don't think that all weapons can cause a gun damage result, though; I know I've gotten repeated "gun hits" with a 20mm AA gun against a churchill and was unable to damage the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karch Posted February 9, 2001 Share Posted February 9, 2001 I may be wrong here, but I was under the impression that a gun hit wasn't necessarily a hit on the gun barrel, but any hit that damages the gun. Maybe your optics are taken out, maybe a mantlet hit that wrecks your elevation gears... anything that could keep you from using your main gun. Just what I always thought.... Scott Karch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.Tankersley Posted February 9, 2001 Share Posted February 9, 2001 Originally posted by Andrew Hedges: I don't think that all weapons can cause a gun damage result, though; I know I've gotten repeated "gun hits" with a 20mm AA gun against a churchill and was unable to damage the gun. I've had a Churchill's gun damaged by a 20mm FlaK. It took a LOT of hits, though. And two or three gun hits before it was actually damaged. ------------------ Leland J. Tankersley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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