Aussie Smith Posted August 14, 2000 Share Posted August 14, 2000 Now I generally don't complain - but bloody hell when 4 out of 5 starting Tanks (Sherman/M-10's) get bogged in a PBEM which technically stuffs up your entire battle plan - well ya get a little pissed I can tell you. The game is played in dry but overcast conditions and as the US player I was thinking - OK Craig lets throw a nasty suprise - well the nasty suprise turned out to be on me - cause as soon as I went off-road well you guessed it - bogged!!! not one not 2 but 4 of my starting 5 vehicles. Now the Shermans were M4A3 76'ers and 1 M-10 Wolverine and well I'm not 100 percent sure but I do believe these vehicles did go off-road from time to time historically . Anyone had this happen to them - or have I just lucked out big time. And before you ask only one of these vehicles were going through terrain other than clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KwazyDog Posted August 14, 2000 Share Posted August 14, 2000 Just to double check with you my fellow Aussie the ground conditions are definately Dry? If so, youve have been HUGLEY unlucky there as I cant remember the last time I saw a vehicle bogged down in dry conditions. Out of interest, did you definately see them labeled as 'bogged' and not just 'immolilised'? [This message has been edited by KwazyDog (edited 08-13-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Babra Posted August 14, 2000 Share Posted August 14, 2000 What month was the scenario set in? I'm thinking "dry" in January isn't quite the same as dry in July. ------------------ It takes three years to build a battleship. It takes three hundred to build a tradition. Admiral Cunningham, Aegean, May 1941. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael emrys Posted August 14, 2000 Share Posted August 14, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KwazyDog: ...I cant remember the last time I saw a vehicle bogged down in dry conditions.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Unfortunately, I can. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Smith Posted August 14, 2000 Author Share Posted August 14, 2000 Kwazy Yup - dry....October 1944 is the game month. 2 of them started as immobilised so I tried reversing them out - you guessed it - they then got bogged . In the end its by and by but jees its bloomin annoying - I'll be setting all future games -late 44 to mid 45 so I get the HVSS Shermans or Hellcats etc. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbaro Posted August 14, 2000 Share Posted August 14, 2000 Now, you did have a foul day! The most I have ever had bogged was one and that in damp conditions. I did once observe a bogging in dry conditions. He obviously found a wet spot, a place with a high water table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatAWilson Posted August 14, 2000 Share Posted August 14, 2000 If the vehicles are bogged in try reversing, it works for me 9 times in 10. If they're immobilised then your SOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Posted August 14, 2000 Share Posted August 14, 2000 Hmm. Did you start the scenario with the tanks dug-in? If so they won't be able to move rest of the game. Also, did you start them in swampy ground by chance? The germans would bury mines 6 feet deep or so so that several allied tanks would have to roll over the area before it went off from the constant tank traffic (it'd be buried and the ground would be moistened up a bit before they left it). maybe it was one of them buggers -johnS ps~ as an afterthought, the only luck I have had getting bogged vehicles unstuck so far is to have them fast move straight forward. Worked 2 times so far for me. Failed about 4 times in a row trying to reverse out of a bog. Who knows. [This message has been edited by Tiger (edited 08-14-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisl Posted August 14, 2000 Share Posted August 14, 2000 I've seen vehicles bog in dry terrain too (a couple in a single scenario even), but this sounds more like some five-sigma bad luck. There will be other games played underwater in which no vehicles will bog, which will also be a rarity, but nobody will write to complain about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fd ski Posted August 14, 2000 Share Posted August 14, 2000 i would avoid giving tanks "fast" order. I usually try to do with Move if possible and my "bogged" rate dropped dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WendellM Posted August 14, 2000 Share Posted August 14, 2000 On the other hand, I've successfully moved four Sherman M4A3(75)W's (a mix of veteran and regular, some moving fast) through scattered trees (which the manual states has "considerable risk of bogging down") in Overcast, Damp, June weather. They only went through small patches but some of them went through more than one patch. Not one of them bogged (no bogging on open terrain either, though several of them traveled pretty good distances, including up and down slopes). I did stay out of the lower-elevation areas of the map, though. FWIW, Wendell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikester Posted August 14, 2000 Share Posted August 14, 2000 I've found as fd ski points out above that if you avoiding moving tanks fast across non-road terrain that they tend to bog down a lot less, regardless of what the actual ground conditions are. Mikester out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikester Posted August 14, 2000 Share Posted August 14, 2000 Dohhhhhhh!!!!!!!! [This message has been edited by Mikester (edited 08-14-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Smith Posted August 15, 2000 Author Share Posted August 15, 2000 I see - well it looks like moving them fast is a no no then - thanks folks - and yes I was moving em fast to try to put one up the Jerries Still I wonder how they'll go as pillboxes Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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