Juardis Posted June 28, 2000 Share Posted June 28, 2000 I don't know how this is handled in the game, but last night I was playing Wiltz (awesome scenario btw) and I ordered a platoon to sneak to a position. Now normally, when I think of sneak, I think of maintaining stealth, quietness, concealment at all costs. So I was surprised when I heard my guys barking orders when they started moving. Los, snell, and various asundry other germanic words. WTH are they doing? So I replayed the movie, only this time from a suspected allied position. Sure enough, from that spot I hear the same german voices coming from that direction. Curious, I moved waaaaay back from that spot and STILL heard my guys. So my questions. 1. What the 7734 (put it on calculator and turn it over ) are they doing talking? 2. Can the enemy really hear them? 3. How far away can you be without hearing the enemy? BTW, this happens regardless of the command you give - crawl, sneak, move, run. Just a bunch of damn chatterboxes these soldiers are. I want them quiet when crawling or sneaking. That's the whole idea behind those commands after all. ------------------ Jeff Abbott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havermeyer Posted June 28, 2000 Share Posted June 28, 2000 So... did you do a search? This was covered circa post 12253 in a memorable exchange between gReaSy_spOon and Capt_buttspackle (a real kvetch). C’mon, geesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juardis Posted June 28, 2000 Author Share Posted June 28, 2000 Funny guy Havermeyer For that I will load you up with incessant QA of my next 300 page calc file Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Beman Posted June 28, 2000 Share Posted June 28, 2000 I'm pretty sure that what you can hear and what the enemy can hear are two different things. The sounds your infantry made were for immersion factor, etc, and not the actual sounds that the enemy might have heard in the game. DjB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Posted June 28, 2000 Share Posted June 28, 2000 Doug is right. You hear different things compared to what the enemy hears. Sten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malmvig Posted June 28, 2000 Share Posted June 28, 2000 You are proberly right Sten but I do understand Juardis concern though. CM deliver one after the other of sweet details so you as gamer adopt to this atmosphere. When something is not quite as you expect it to be you question it. Malmvig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipanderson Posted June 28, 2000 Share Posted June 28, 2000 Hi, I do not think "sneak" means sneak. From what I have seen in the demo it really means what I would call "skirmish". I use it almost every time, it does skirmishing just great. all the best, Kip. ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juardis Posted June 28, 2000 Author Share Posted June 28, 2000 Guess I'll have to set up a hot seat game and play both sides myself to find out for sure. Thanks all. kipanderson, what do you mean when you say skirmishes? ------------------ Jeff Abbott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juardis Posted June 29, 2000 Author Share Posted June 29, 2000 OK, chose a small scenario where both sides start close to each other. Played hot seat. Germans were attackers. I told the 3 german infantry units closest to the front lines to crawl. Results after watching movie? As the germans I could here my units talk at the onset of the crawl. Results after watching from the American point of view? I could hear the Germans issuing those orders. Restarted, this time I chose units further back to sneak. I could hear the commands as the Germans watching my own troops (from anywhere). Could also hear them from the American side (from almost anywhere). I did have the iron cross designations indicating maybe an inf unit was there, but not designating it a sound contact. I tried a 3rd test. I left everyone standing still and did not move, sneak, crawl anybody. I did have halftracks idling, but they also remained stationary. As the germans, I heard not a sound (except the engines). As the americans, I heard not a sound but I also had iron cross designations for all the infantry. Since the scenario I chose had dense fog and there were no sound contact designations, I'm guessing the silhouettes could be made out. Interestingly, the Ami's started firing, which caused one of my units to move and my halftrack to start firing. Once the track started firing, it was labeled as a sound contact by the Ami's and then you could hear the idling engine (but not before it started firing). Another interesting tidbit. My 3 man squad representation was a one man squad according to the americans. Could be because it was sneaking. Could be because it was foggy. But I thought that was cool. You may hear me issue stupid commands as I try to sneak up on you, but you only think you see all of me. ------------------ Jeff Abbott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pathfinder1 Posted June 29, 2000 Share Posted June 29, 2000 hmm, I have had my AMI troops go, "shush, quiet" and all ya hear is the tinkling of some loose equipment..then some bone head goes "come on move it!"....DOH! ------------------ this is pathfinder's evil twin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Babra Posted June 29, 2000 Share Posted June 29, 2000 My personal favourite... <bgsound src="http://www.attcanada.ca/~arc/2corpsimages/00001014.WAV"> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael emrys Posted June 29, 2000 Share Posted June 29, 2000 Under the heading Contact-Level 2, pp. 81-82 in the manual it says, "Enemy infantry units are always displayed using one soldier, regardless of the actual type." So what you had at that point was a vague glimpse. There were men out there, but you didn't have a count or other ID. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipanderson Posted June 29, 2000 Share Posted June 29, 2000 Juardis, hi, by skirmish I mean fire and movement. Cautiously moving forward a pair at a time , or two pairs at a time while the rest of the squad give covering fire. Individuals are spaced about 6-8 paces apart and are constantly looking to aquire targets and deal with them. Its the style all infantry used, in theory anyway, to advance while in contact with the enemy. Even the Soviets used skirmishing from the second half of 42. The November 1942 Soviet infantry manual is pure skirmishing, contrary to popular belief. All the best, Kip. ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertram Posted June 29, 2000 Share Posted June 29, 2000 Lol, Nice joke, reading in the dark and silent room, I almost fell from my chair... Bertram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Babra Posted June 29, 2000 Share Posted June 29, 2000 Glad somebody noticed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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