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Are there any news about the new module for FB?. Sometimes I have the sensation that CMFB has been somehow overshadow by another titles like CMRT that  looks like it is dragging more attention from the community. It' s a pitty because FB is a great title that really deserves a module on its own covering the events following the Bulge as it happened with CMBN.

 

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47 minutes ago, Artkin said:

Note for every one US citizen that died in ww2, 70 soviet citizens died. The scale of the eastern front during ww2 is nearly unfathomable. 

Plus the oft-quoted '80% of German casualties were on the East Front'.

Of course this doesn't mean that 80% of wargamers should favour CMRT over other titles 😉.

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I was gonna write a funny skit story of Steve calling his guy who does CMFB. It was gonna make jokes based on nobody has done any FB module! <<I just am having fun. I have no idea if the FB module is at what percentage ready to release>>. Steve is pissed and asks Why?. The guy says We're all on the Ukraine Thread! is the punchline I thought of. Then it would be that guy asking I can call Ithikial for help? and Steve says No, he is busy on CMBN BP. GeorgeMC? No, he is taking a break after his CMRT BP.

hahahaha

It made me laugh but now I just abridged it all.

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14 hours ago, arpella72 said:

Sometimes I have the sensation that CMFB has been somehow overshadow by another titles like CMRT that  looks like it is dragging more attention from the community. It' s a pitty because FB is a great title that really deserves a module on its own covering the events following the Bulge as it happened with CMBN.

 

Well, as a matter of fact, to me it sounds like "another 1944-45 WW2 game featuring Sherman tanks". Clearing not the most appealing of the WW2 CM titles...

And indeed the only of the 4 WW2 CM titles I haven't bought (yet!).

I would gladly pay twice as much for any other WW2 title, either Stalingrad or North Africa or France 1940 or Barbarossa, even Yugoslavian campaign! 😆

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14 hours ago, Vacillator said:

Plus the oft-quoted '80% of German casualties were on the East Front'.

Of course this doesn't mean that 80% of wargamers should favour CMRT over other titles 😉.

I couldn't remember the soldier deaths specifically; I think the number I quoted was civilians + soldiers, but either way military activity in the Soviet Union contributed to that destruction.

 

25 minutes ago, PEB14 said:

Well, as a matter of fact, to me it sounds like "another 1944-45 WW2 game featuring Sherman tanks". Clearing not the most appealing of the WW2 CM titles...

Seriously. It got old quick despite having new toys.

There are benefits though.

26 minutes ago, PEB14 said:

And indeed the only of the 4 WW2 CM titles I haven't bought (yet!).

The master maps alone are worth the price of entry, they are among the best maps made for CM. I rate CMBN's MG module, CMRT's F&R Module, and CMFB base game's maps as the best of the best official maps released in the CM world. Best part is that you can convert maps from game to game so even if you hate the game you can extract maps, scenarios (Which are really only good for their AI plans + the map itself since units don't translate between games) and even campaigns to play in a different game.

There are some restrictions and kinks, but for the most part they've all been worked out by now. I've even managed to port a map from CM:PE to the commercial games.

That alone is worth the price tag.

But if there was to be one ww2 game (Besides CMRT obviously... the king...) it would be CMFB. CMFB will happily take ported maps from any game and run them MUCH faster than CMBN would. And CMFI? Forget about it. Can't hold a candle to CMFB. There are real performance improvements with CMFB and the (sometimes) massive scenarios prove it.

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I bought CMBN and CMFB, and both are good games and sufficiently different to warrant the purchase.

Not really that interested in a module for CMFB though. It might feature the Commonwealth forces, but they are already in the Commonwealth pack for CMBN.

If I were to buy another CM title, I'd probably go for CMRT. Then I'd have both the east and west front covered.

 

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24 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said:

I bought CMBN and CMFB, and both are good games and sufficiently different to warrant the purchase.

Not really that interested in a module for CMFB though. It might feature the Commonwealth forces, but they are already in the Commonwealth pack for CMBN.

If I were to buy another CM title, I'd probably go for CMRT. Then I'd have both the east and west front covered.

 

You don't own CMRT? Dude that's the craziest CM title BY FAR. It blows every other game completely out of the water. Damn. Even if you don't like the game you can use the maps for your other games. And CMRT has the most maps by far. It's the best CM hands down.

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All I know is that I am ready to immediately pay the 80 dollars once the bundle with the base game + module comes out.

And for what's it worth: we have far more titles on the Eastern Front or *yaawn* Normandy than games depicting the Western Front from the end of 1944 to May 1945. Which is why I don't think Final Blitzkrieg is just another game with American tanks. Or else you could say about Eastern Front games, oh no, it's yet another game with T-34s... In the end it is subjective and not everyone is equally fed up with American tanks. Especially since the module is purported to include the British Forces as well, so there's that.

In the end, I am a seasonal gamer anyway so once the temperatures rise in the next couple of weeks, I will temporarily lose interest in the game anyway. I just can't see myself fighting in the Battle of the Bulge while it is 25 degrees Celsius outside. And as sure as hell, my interest will come back 6 months later when temperatures are falling again, just in time for the release of the module. Since after all I am pretty confident that the FB module will only release much later this year, after BN Battle Pack and after the Cold War module, bringing it somewhat in line with the Steam release of FB.

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39 minutes ago, Sunbather said:

All I know is that I am ready to immediately pay the 80 dollars once the bundle with the base game + module comes out.

I agree I would have more interest into it with the CW forces included.

 

39 minutes ago, Sunbather said:

And for what's it worth: we have far more titles on the Eastern Front or *yaawn* Normandy than games depicting the Western Front from the end of 1944 to May 1945. Which is why I don't think Final Blitzkrieg is just another game with American tanks. Or else you could say about Eastern Front games, oh no, it's yet another game with T-34s...

Tsss... With a Barbarossa game you would devastate a full Panzer Regiment with a single KV-I, or, the other way round, wreck havoc amongst a mix of T-26, T-27, T-28 and BT tanks with a couple of Panzer II and Panzer 38(t)... THAT would be fun! And all of this in summertime...

Or, if you need to occupy your wintertime, you could assault a 5-turret T-35 with Finns ski-troops! 🤩 Or storm the Mannerheim line with Soviet green troops in knee-deep snow...

 

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4 hours ago, Sunbather said:

could say about Eastern Front games, oh no, it's yet another game with T-34s...

It always feels like the US side has very few interesting armor units - nearly all various models of Shermans which are nearly identical, whereas the Soviets have a lot of different armor units - so there is more variety on the Eastern Front.  

Am not a fan of playing the Brits, but they do have a variety of armor as well - especially their large armored car (AC) garage.  It's unfortunate that there are hardly any scenarios and no campaigns that I can recall that feature the large variety of Brit AC's.

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29 minutes ago, Erwin said:

It always feels like the US side has very few interesting armor units - nearly all various models of Shermans which are nearly identical

It feels to me that the US army in WW2 was not that interesting in terms of tech, but it was extremely well put together.

They have exactly the right tools for the job, and they have a lot of it. No need for a big zoo of strange specialised vehicles like the Germans or the Brits had.. just huge numbers of Shermans and Garands and 60mm mortars.

At least the way it works in CM, I think the US clearly has the best OOB.

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2 hours ago, Erwin said:

For RL I's agree.  For a game, it's a bit boring - all cookie cutter.  What I like about playing the Germans is that there is a wide variety of quite different vehicles.  But, obviously not good in RL.

That's exactly the point. US Army in WW2 was efficient like no other, and for no small part because of the high level of standardization  of weapons and equipements. And that's precisely what makes the US Army boring to play in the long run…

At least with a Tunisian Campaign module one could add the Grant and Lee tanks to the meager US AFV zoo…

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7 hours ago, Erwin said:

Am not a fan of playing the Brits,

We see how differently we play the game. The CW Forces are my favourite formations. You play like the Soviets but with far better C2, set piece battles in other words. The US with their radios can already exploit fire of opportunity. The M26 was just not ready for Europe in Korea it developed in the M47 Patton then it was 7 years later. The engine of the M26 was not good enough but in the game it doesn't matter.

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On 2/14/2023 at 11:37 AM, Artkin said:

You don't own CMRT? Dude that's the craziest CM title BY FAR. It blows every other game completely out of the water. Damn. Even if you don't like the game you can use the maps for your other games. And CMRT has the most maps by far. It's the best CM hands down.

I own all the WW2 titles and CMRT is probably my least favorite for three reasons.

1. I am a US Army vet so am biased towards my own service.

2. I've never really managed to get the hang of Soviet doctrine. 

3. Most of the content in CMRT has you playing as the Germans and I really, really, really hate fighting against Soviet infantry.

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6 minutes ago, Bearstronaut said:

I own all the WW2 titles and CMRT is probably my least favorite for three reasons.

1. I am a US Army vet so am biased towards my own service.

2. I've never really managed to get the hang of Soviet doctrine. 

3. Most of the content in CMRT has you playing as the Germans and I really, really, really hate fighting against Soviet infantry.

Damn. 

Soviet doctrine was a bloodbath throughout the war so it's a lot of explosions and tons of shameless casualties. You get to play with larger sized formations more often than not. Also the maps are larger with community content through the roof. You have the Berlin maps. IMO theres a little something for everyone even if you just take the maps and use them for your other games. With that functionality of CM (Porting maps inbetween titles) you get your money's worth no matter what. 

Why dont you like fighting against soviet infantry? PPSH's? 

Imo theyre not that insane unless you get into close range. And if youre fighting that close you've already lost your advantage and should expect a critical amount of casualties regardless (Goes for any CM game really). 

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8 minutes ago, Artkin said:

Damn. 

Have to say I'm kinda with Artkin on this one.  RT was my first purchase and it's still a great title, with @George MC's recent battle pack adding even more great battles (testing and PBEMs with these so far have been truly excellent).  And there are plenty of options to play as Soviets not Germans.

But I also get the 'own service' thing, so I wouldn't knock that.

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7 minutes ago, Vacillator said:

Have to say I'm kinda with Artkin on this one.  RT was my first purchase and it's still a great title, with @George MC's recent battle pack adding even more great battles (testing and PBEMs with these so far have been truly excellent).  And there are plenty of options to play as Soviets not Germans.

But I also get the 'own service' thing, so I wouldn't knock that.

The big *** maps never stop coming from this title, so it pays off even if you arent a fan. 

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46 minutes ago, Artkin said:

big *** maps

Agreed, and it's no surprise that a lot of these are George's large 3D works of art.  But there are examples of this in CMBN too (the Wittman scenarios come to mind).

And I mean no disrespect to all of the other contributors - for example I'm in the middle of getting my butt kicked in one of @benpark's great creations (Rumble at Reitwein) and it is a great map.  If only I'd chosen to play Soviet.  Or been less lazy in checking LOS/LOF.  Oh well.

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23 hours ago, Artkin said:

Damn. 

Soviet doctrine was a bloodbath throughout the war so it's a lot of explosions and tons of shameless casualties. You get to play with larger sized formations more often than not. Also the maps are larger with community content through the roof. You have the Berlin maps. IMO theres a little something for everyone even if you just take the maps and use them for your other games. With that functionality of CM (Porting maps inbetween titles) you get your money's worth no matter what. 

Why dont you like fighting against soviet infantry? PPSH's? 

Imo theyre not that insane unless you get into close range. And if youre fighting that close you've already lost your advantage and should expect a critical amount of casualties regardless (Goes for any CM game really). 

Don’t get me wrong, I do like Red Thunder. I just like the western front ones more.

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I'm hoping to find enough time soon to start a CMFB series on Patton's Lorraine battles. I have all the topo and research from producing Command OP's (as yet to be released) "Bradley at Bay" scenarios but I just need the time and inclination to start in. I'm surprised there are only a smattering of battles from this campaign available for CM.

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