How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?

[The_Capt]

35 minutes ago, Offshoot said:

And right on cue:

Trump to meet with Ukrainian president
 

 

The tension will border on the erotic…

[dan/california]

4 minutes ago, The_Capt said:

The tension will border on the erotic…

Have you started working on your first book? The one about the "romantic" three way relationship between Putin , Prig, and Trump? 

[The_Capt]

1 minute ago, dan/california said:

Have you started working on your first book? The one about the "romantic" three way relationship between Putin , Prig, and Trump? 

A love triangle for the ages. Vlad wants to love again but the hurt from the last time stings too badly. Priggy was all he ever wanted in a man. But you know the old saying “if you can’t be with the one you love…blow up their airplane.”

Damn would probably sell better than anything I am writing to be honest.

[FancyCat]

5 hours ago, Aragorn2002 said:

According to the BBC 650 000 conscription aged men have left Ukraine for Europe. I will let this figure speak for itself.

 

 

All Russian soldiers in Ukraine are volunteers, lured by Russian oil and gas profits, wages that for many, outmass whatever average wage they would get in their home town. Asking why won’t Ukrainians die and leave their families worse off is a bit silly when we have the results of Russia throwing money at their soldiers but also throwing them into appalling situations on the front. 

what’s the wages of Ukrainian soldiers? Anyone know? 

[The_Capt]

1 minute ago, FancyCat said:

All Russian soldiers in Ukraine are volunteers, lured by Russian oil and gas profits, wages that for many, outmass whatever average wage they would get in their home town. Asking why won’t Ukrainians die and leave their families worse off is a bit silly when we have the results of Russia throwing money at their soldiers but also throwing them into appalling situations on the front. 

what’s the wages of Ukrainian soldiers? Anyone know? 

Seriously? Is that why you think people go to war? Sure some Russians are doing it for the cash. Some were prisoners/convicts. Some are idealists and believe they are doing it for their country. Some don’t want to miss out. And some are conscripts.

Ukrainians are fighting for the survival of their nation. Their families will be worse off if they are left to those Russian soldiers. They will worse off as a province in greater Russia…the vengeance will be terrible.

Aragorns point is that there are bigger things than individual survival or payouts. There are larger ideas that must be defended or lost. Do you think that our prosperity and freedoms are simply a natural product? A divine right? No. They are earned, by every generation. We are standing on a precipice here. There is the world we want and the one that is going to happen to us unless we are ready to sacrifice. 

[dan/california]

 

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https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1fq0rs2/ua_fixed_wing_drone_drops_a_captive_fpv_for/

 

UA fixed wing drone drops a captive fpv for continued operations. The fpv can serve in an escort role as well.

 

It won't be long before we are discussing the merits of various squadron sized UAV strike packages.

[Fenris]

Big aid package announcements today from the US, UK and DE.

And this comment from the UK gov

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The UK and its Western allies have depleted their weapon stockpiles after over two and a half years of supporting Ukraine, according to Armed Forces Minister Luke Pollard. Ahead of UN talks, Pollard emphasized the need for a long-term production strategy.

 

[Butschi]

3 minutes ago, The_Capt said:

Seriously? Is that why you think people go to war? Sure some Russians are doing it for the cash. Some were prisoners/convicts. Some are idealists and believe they are doing it for their country. Some don’t want to miss out. And some are conscripts.

Ukrainians are fighting for the survival of their nation. Their families will be worse off if they are left to those Russian soldiers. They will worse off as a province in greater Russia…the vengeance will be terrible.

Aragorns point is that there are bigger things than individual survival or payouts. There are larger ideas that must be defended or lost. Do you think that our prosperity and freedoms are simply a natural product? A divine right? No. They are earned, by every generation. We are standing on a precipice here. There is the world we want and the one that is going to happen to us unless we are ready to sacrifice. 

Is the world we want really the same world the younger generations want, though? Usually you are the one to remind us of micro societies and all that. I feel that, especially when it comes to concepts like nations, the older and younger generations are not really on the same page. (Being 45 I sit in the middle and don't really know about either).

 

[OldSarge]

1 hour ago, Battlefront.com said:

And another "this just in".  Trump has agreed to meet Zelensky tomorrow morning:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4902333-trump-zelensky-meeting-new-york/

Steve

That will be an interesting meeting, would love to know what really happens in it.  I can only imagine the pressure placed on the Trump campaign by pro-Ukraine Republicans to have this meeting.

It has been reported the Zelensky shared his "Victory" plan with both Biden and Harris. Hopefully, he'll be careful about disclosing anything he doesn't want Putin to hear in tomorrow's meeting.

[chris talpas]

29 minutes ago, The_Capt said:

Aragorns point is that there are bigger things than individual survival or payouts. There are larger ideas that must be defended or lost. Do you think that our prosperity and freedoms are simply a natural product? A divine right? No. They are earned, by every generation. We are standing on a precipice here. There is the world we want and the one that is going to happen to us unless we are ready to sacrifice. 

And why in our own country isn’t there serious discussion about meeting our 2% target and preparing our defence industry for the challenging times ahead?  Whatever happened to that country that had 10% of its population in uniform in WW2 as well churning out war materials and trained aircrews? 
Canada risks becoming irrelevant in the dangerous world ahead and regardless who wins, I think our southern neighbour will expect much more progress than is being planned.

[dan/california]

9 minutes ago, OldSarge said:

That will be an interesting meeting, would love to know what really happens in it.  I can only imagine the pressure placed on the Trump campaign by pro-Ukraine Republicans to have this meeting.

It has been reported the Zelensky shared his "Victory" plan with both Biden and Harris. Hopefully, he'll be careful about disclosing anything he doesn't want Putin to hear in tomorrow's meeting.

 

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/09/26/trump-reveals-zelensky-plea-meeting-amid-spat-over-ukraine/

Pictured: Trump publishes Zelensky’s personal message pleading for meeting

Decision to make plea public came after Republican delivered Ukraine speech saying ‘the people are dead’ and ‘the country is in rubble’

 

Trump couldn't be much clearer.

 

[The_Capt]

4 minutes ago, Butschi said:

Is the world we want really the same world the younger generations want, though? Usually you are the one to remind us of micro societies and all that. I feel that, especially when it comes to concepts like nations, the older and younger generations are not really on the same page. (Being 45 I sit in the middle and don't really know about either).

 

Here is the thing…humanity is not a menu. One cannot simply pick and choose a world they want and then expect it to happen. It takes work, sacrifice and competition. Because if you are not willing to do that, then someone else will decide what world you are going to live in for you.

So in the end, it really doesn’t matter what the younger generation “wants”, it is about what they will fight and sacrifice for. What they are willing to do to make that world. Who they are willing to stop in making the world they do not want.

Younger and older generations are never on the same page…until then younger one gets older. Then all the stuff the older generation went on about starts making a lot more sense. Doesn’t mean they were always right, but at least one can see better through their eyes.

[The_Capt]

9 minutes ago, chris talpas said:

And why in our own country isn’t there serious discussion about meeting our 2% target and preparing our defence industry for the challenging times ahead?  Whatever happened to that country that had 10% of its population in uniform in WW2 as well churning out war materials and trained aircrews? 
Canada risks becoming irrelevant in the dangerous world ahead and regardless who wins, I think our southern neighbour will expect much more progress than is being planned.

We are a living breathing example of entitlement. We can fight, oh my we can get downright cray cray about it. But we have lived in the Great Peace and fooled ourselves into believing it was forever. It is bigger than money, it is a culture ready for what comes next. And that is micro-social. Governments cannot legislate that sort of thing. We are very close to entering a new Age of The Gun here and we are still high on soft power and “the world needs more Canada”.  And no political party is ready for this - let’s not open up that can of worms.

This war in Ukraine is at the end of a long line of signals that the world around us was shifting. What we do in this war and after it will be critical for what comes next.

[OldSarge]

4 minutes ago, dan/california said:

 

Trump couldn't be much clearer.

 

Yep, I know! This meeting is for publicity and not policy. I'm just interested in the behind the scenes shenanigans that took this from a non-event to an actual meeting after other comments TFG made against Zelensky.