John Kettler Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, db_zero said: whats TOS-1? db_zero, TOS-1 Buratino 220 mm MRL firing unguided rockets with thermobaric aka FAE (FuelAir Explosive) warheads. This system is on a T-72 tank chassis. In the video you can see the MRL, its reload vehicle, the MRLs dug in, rockets firing and rockets exploding. The blast and overpressure are the equivalent force of small nukes, but without the radiation hazards.https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/russias-tos-1-buratino-rocket-launcher-lays-waste-enemies-196332 Regards, John Kettler Edited February 24, 2022 by John Kettler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEqTRO Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, Phantom Captain said: This would be such great news! Unfortunetly they have backtracked their statement. Hopefully if they released such an statement is because they are about to finally eliminate all pockets of resistance inside the airport. The moment I see more information I will post it here. 5 minutes ago, The_Capt said: The only angle I can think of right now is that he has somehow managed to penetrate the Ukrainian military and government and has cut a drug deal behind the scenes. However, beyond being insulting to those Ukrainians who are currently dying for their country, this also raise the obvious question of "why do a full scale invasion act?" I mean if he had sway inside the Ukrainian government why not pull that lever and stage a coup from the inside a la Crimea? Cruise missiles and massive rocket bombardments do not demonstrate a sophisticated political warfare approach. So unless Putin has been dozing through the last 30 years of western misadventures or simply has been smoking his own supply and thinks "I will be different" because I ride bears on the weekend, this dance makes no sense. This is the chapter Clausewitz never got to; "war is sometimes just plain dumb". Or, like I said in an earlier post, either the long term economic/strategic conditions of its country have pushed him into this direction. Putin has always been a megalomaniac which despised the western world and saw the collapse of the soviet union (when I say soviet union, I mean the territory, not the ideology) as a disaster to be corrected. Yet it has only now decided to go ahead and attack the western world so fragantly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, The_Capt said: The only angle I can think of right now is that he has somehow managed to penetrate the Ukrainian military and government and has cut a drug deal behind the scenes. However, beyond being insulting to those Ukrainians who are currently dying for their country, this also raise the obvious question of "why do a full scale invasion act?" I mean if he had sway inside the Ukrainian government why not pull that lever and stage a coup from the inside a la Crimea? Cruise missiles and massive rocket bombardments do not demonstrate a sophisticated political warfare approach. So unless Putin has been dozing through the last 30 years of western misadventures or simply has been smoking his own supply and thinks "I will be different" because I ride bears on the weekend, this dance makes no sense. This is the chapter Clausewitz never got to; "war is sometimes just plain dumb". According to the Chinese this is no invasion... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) Quote Ukrainian presidential advisor corrects his statement, says the battle in Hostomel is still ongoing. Artillery and tanks involved. Damn. Expected that to be the case. Edited February 24, 2022 by akd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEqTRO Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, akd said: If true, we need no further evidence that Russia cannot provide air support to troops at night. Ukraine should exploit this ruthlessly and we should flood them with as much quality night vision gear as possible. Unfortunetly they have backtracked the statement, we will have to wait. Thats something I am hopeful, that along all the Javelins and Stingers, some modern night vision equipment made its way into Ukraine. Edited February 24, 2022 by CHEqTRO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I dont think Putin is looking, like he use to. Rounder in the face, like he is on a strong cortisone treatment? Does he have a braintumor, or something? Thats when you got really strong cortisone treatment, before surgery! Just speculating. But if he has a grade 4 Glioblastoma, and only 6-12 months to live. Maybe he doesent think like the rest of us. Its now or never! Nukes? He dont give a ****! Scary if true! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic4 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Putin is a 69 yr old psycho/sociopath that has no regard or compassion for human life, rights etc. Imho, he likely sees this as his legacy/destiny and will continue to provoke the west (NATO) until they actually respond with arms. Probably when he pivots to take the Baltics after this campaign in Ukraine. ...Haiduk, have always appreciated your insightful posts on this forum; please stay safe and take care. Thank you BF for keeping this thread open. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Aragorn2002 said: According to the Chinese this is no invasion... Ah glad to hear. Maybe @Haiduk can tell everybody to get out of the shelters? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Ref a remark made earlier that Putin's ultimate objective is to reconstitute the Soviet Union. That is incorrect. He has said explicitly he wishes to reestablish the Russian Empire. The Russian Federation national emblem is the Tsarist double eagle. If, arguendo, he decides to seize Ukraine outright, in whole or in part, it will be in fulfillment of that overarching strategic objective. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEqTRO Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just now, John Kettler said: Ref a remark made earlier that Putin's ultimate objective is to reconstitute the Soviet Union. That is incorrect. He has said explicitly he wishes to reestablish the Russian Empire. The Russian Federation national emblem is the Tsarist double eagle. If, arguendo, he decides to seize Ukraine outright, in whole or in part, it will be in fulfillment of that overarching strategic objective. Regards, John Kettler When we say reinstitute the Soviet Union, we mean its previous territory and influence. The Soviet Union had nearly the entirety of eastern europe, including Berlin (well some parts) under its domain. Thats more influence and power over europe (and the world) that the tsars could ever dream of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty's Mighty Moustache Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, DMS said: Absolutely not. He hates communists, who "gave too much to non-russian republics". Russian Empire, may be. I meant the territory and world status, not the ideology. MMM 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) This was several hours ago! DON´T WORK IN EDGE!! Chrome, and it will be fine Edited February 24, 2022 by Armorgunner 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (Addendum to earlier post: I personally do not equate Iraq w this invasion, this is orders of magnitude different. I was just saying what I expect Putin's propaganda to say) I heard that Putin has been very isolated since covid hit, terrified of dying from it. Maybe that's helping to make him bonkers. cuz this is full on bonkers. I sure hope this somehow leads to his downfall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEqTRO Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) It seems th russians are going to push towards Mariupol either tonight or by tomorrow morning. Most likely trying to breaktrhough into Melitopol and meet with its forces in South Kherson. This would put the Ukranian forces in the Donbass in a precarious position, having its enemy taking their rear Edited February 24, 2022 by CHEqTRO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl Steiner Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 It may be a bit crass to mention but I wrote a scenario called "Neighbours From Hell" ages ago that you can still find on the internet if you search for it. The scenario is particularly topical now as it features a Separatist attack on a Ukraine-held village with Russian Spetsnaz assistance in the opening hours of the invasion. We are wargamers so hopefully nobody takes offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 The most interesting part. Is that the Russian Armys Elite: The 1st Guards Tank Army, containing: 4th Guards Kantemirovskaya Order of Lenin Red Banner Tank Division, 2nd Guards M. I. Kalinin Taman Motor Rifle Division, 6th Separate Tank Brigade, and 27th Separate Guards Sevastopol Red Banner Motor Rifle Brigade. Attacking Charkiw, has been halted by dead hard resistance!!! Can Ukrainian troops stop the 1st Guards Tank Army, they can stop everything Russia can throw at them 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEqTRO Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 The same goes for Kharkiv, by the way: The battle for Kharkiv will probably be one of the most important and biggest battles of this war. Hopefully the line holds long enough for the units fighting in the Donbass to stage a fighting withdrawal and avoid encirclement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Armorgunner said: The most interesting part. Is that the Russian Armys Elite: The 1st Guards Tank Army, containing: 4th Guards Kantemirovskaya Order of Lenin Red Banner Tank Division, 2nd Guards M. I. Kalinin Taman Motor Rifle Division, 6th Separate Tank Brigade, and 27th Separate Guards Sevastopol Red Banner Motor Rifle Brigade. Attacking Charkiw, has been halted by dead hard resistance!!! Can Ukrainian troops stop the 1st Guards Tank Army, they can stop everything Russia can throw at them I don't think that's realistic. This will be over in a couple of weeks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Aragorn2002 said: I don't think that's realistic. This will be over in a couple of weeks. You want to make a bet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Armorgunner said: You want to make a bet? That would not be very tasteful. Let's just agree to talk again in two weeks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) Commmunication with Zmiinyi island garrison is lost, probably the island is seized. I wonder why no one launches of Neptun AS missile. Too far to Zmiinyi? Impossibility of targeting? Or all launchers destroyed at morning strike? Edited February 24, 2022 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chibot Mk IX Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, ncc1701e said: What is the risk of Russia capturing javelins, analyzing them and developing their own or sending them to China? China has already got a similar one, HJ-12 - Wikipedia 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probus Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, CHEqTRO said: The same goes for Kharkiv, by the way: The battle for Kharkiv will probably be one of the most important and biggest battles of this war. Hopefully the line holds long enough for the units fighting in the Donbass to stage a fighting withdrawal and avoid encirclement. I watched this attack on a live feed. Or one just like it. It goes on and on and on. Terrifying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) This is claimed to be Su-24s attacking the Antonov airfield at Hostomel late afternoon today, but it seems hard to believe by the possible explanations (other than simply being fake): 1. If Ukraine managed to get Su-24s up and cratered the runway, then holy crap, well done! 2. If it is Russian Su-24s, then they are dropping their bombs very close to the air field. Or maybe it is from earlier during initial assault? EDIT: probably from same source. Said to be Russian assault on the Antonov field. Note that fire raging in first photo here is mostly burned out in above. Supports claim that the Su-24s bombing are from later in the day, not the initial assault. Edited February 24, 2022 by akd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Aragorn2002 said: That would not be very tasteful. Let's just agree to talk again in two weeks. But I really belive, in the possibility of a Ukrainian victory! They probably will lose some ground. But Russian losses will be so big, that they have to stop. And it will be a frozen war, for a long time. With Putin always with a hand in front of the face, in every TV appearance. In shame, of the loss. That he refuses to admit! So it was not a funny game "betting", I wanted to do. I was dead serious! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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