Beleg85 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, billbindc said: US officials are confirming it was a Russian missile. They specified two actually. Let's wait, but it seems increasingly probable. Meeting is very long already. Here a thread from AA expert, worth to autotranslate. Main thought: it was bound to happen sooner or later. It is not attack but accident, still if people are killed it is getting serious. Edited November 15, 2022 by Beleg85 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Rabb Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) The Daily Express is reporting this story. At least two dead after Russian missiles land in NATO state Poland on Ukraine border Edit: The Associated Press is also reporting this story. Strikes put Ukraine in darkness; missiles cross into Poland Edited November 15, 2022 by Harmon Rabb Added AP link. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Village is 10 kms from border, not directly on it. That is why Ukrainian AA rocket debris seem rather unlikely. I would vote for missile IF news will confirm (and remember, it could be internal accident of wheat collector as initially thought, still). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 13 hours ago, Sojourner said: About one page back Haiduk reported detonations and large fire at Novooleksiivka. Wonder how they reached that, or was it more careless smoking? Tochka-U can reach Novooleksiivka outskirts from Berislav area. But it's a question either we ran out own missiiles or not. Or we already had a time to deliver them from Bulgaria, which recently agreed weapon supply to Ukraine. Bulgaria had stored Tochka-U. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 F....ng witch. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Twitter is its usual deranged self and calling for Article 5 which is of course disproportional. But the bar for supplying ATACMS just dropped, I think. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Looks like missile fragments are from S-300: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Beleg85 said: Another big wave of missiles over Kiyv, Kharkiv + other regional centers. @Zeleban , @Haiduk and other Ukrainians, take care of yourselves, folks. These strikes were precisely predicted before, but Russians are visibly pissed off after Bali meatings. They may be loosing geopolitical ground. Today's strike ecxeed the levcel of Oct 10th with its 84 missiles. 90 cruise missiles (mostly Kh-101/Kh-555 and about dozen Kalibrs from Black Sea) and 10 Shakheds launched in three waves. Missiles flew from different directions, i.e through Belarus. 73 missiles and 10 Shakheds shot down 15 power infrastructure objects hit mostly in western regions. Around Kyiv 18 missiles shot down from 21, which attacked Kyiv, Kyiv oblast or just passed further to other regions. From them at least 4 missiles shot down over Kyiv. Fragments of two shot down missiles have fallen on two residential buildings, causing death of woman, 3 citizens were traumatized. Air forces also claimed shot down of UCAV "Orion" Edited November 15, 2022 by Haiduk 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Of course, as expected "Polish mercenaries" in RUS propaganda already breached the barrier bewteen cartoon in TV and crossed into reality like this girl from "The Ring". Keep calm folks, if confirmed UA will have new candies in near future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisl Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, danfrodo said: OMFG. what will Poland do? If no dead or wounded Poland could mostly ignore it, but RU just murdered two Polish citizens. Oh my oh my. And what can Poland (reasonably) do? Erdogan, or maybe Xi since China isn't NATO, could do a Lawrence of Arabia. Edited November 15, 2022 by chrisl typo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probus Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 26 minutes ago, Elmar Bijlsma said: Twitter is its usual deranged self and calling for Article 5 which is of course disproportional. But the bar for supplying ATACMS just dropped, I think. Depends on if NATO WANTS a reason to take off the gloves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_MonkeyKing Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, akd said: Looks like missile fragments are from S-300: But the crates seem way too big. and on the other hand S300 in ground attack mode would make for a perfect for this sort of "grey op" for Russians. They could claim it is a misfired UKR air defense missile. EDIT: Too far for S300 from Belarus Edited November 15, 2022 by The_MonkeyKing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter from Prague Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Probus said: Depends on if NATO WANTS a reason to take off the gloves. I think NATO behavior up until now clearly shows they don't. NATO could have ended this before it started if they wanted to. NATO could have ended this on day one, if they wanted to. NATO could have supplied enough to Ukraine for them to end it months ago, if they wanted to. NATO could have ended it the they after Bucha. NATO could have ended it they day after terrorist attacks became the official Russian doctrine. They didn't. I'd love to be optimistic, but I don't see a reason to be. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The_MonkeyKing said: But the crates seem way too big. and on the other hand S300 in ground attack mode would make for a perfect for this sort of "grey op" for Russians. They could claim it is a misfired UKR air defense missile. About 140 km to Belarusian border. If this really was S-300 (there are some identifications as Kh-555), it couldn't come from Belarus. Edited November 15, 2022 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_MonkeyKing Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Haiduk said: About 140 km to Belarusian border. If this really was S-300 (there are some identifications as Kh-555), it couldn't come from Belarus. Good point on the range. Forgot how short range those are when it comes to ground attack 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Haiduk said: About 140 km to Belarusian border. If this really was S-300 (there are some identifications as Kh-555), it couldn't came from Belarus. There are reports of two missiles. Could it be S-300 intercept / attempted intercept of Kh-555 near border? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, akd said: There are reports of two missiles. Could it be S-300 intercept / attempted intercept of Kh-555 near border? Some locals sources reportedly told about even 3. Reporters are probably speeding up so we will know more. It's my województwo, it shoul'd take them 2h by car from Lublin probably. Edited November 15, 2022 by Beleg85 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_MonkeyKing Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Well, Russia denies it before they could even possible have verified it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probus Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Letter from Prague said: I think NATO behavior up until now clearly shows they don't. NATO could have ended this before it started if they wanted to. NATO could have ended this on day one, if they wanted to. NATO could have supplied enough to Ukraine for them to end it months ago, if they wanted to. NATO could have ended it the they after Bucha. NATO could have ended it they day after terrorist attacks became the official Russian doctrine. They didn't. I'd love to be optimistic, but I don't see a reason to be. Dang @Letter from Prague!! That is pessimistic. If Poland did get hit by Rusaian missiles, is that enough to trigger an Article 5 or would Russia have to target something in Poland. If they were just wayward missiles Russia will prolly just "apologize" (without apologizing i'm sure). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, The_MonkeyKing said: Well, Russia denies it before they could even possible have verified it But they don't deny striking any non-targets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probus Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sojourner said: But they don't deny striking any non-targets. Ha! Do not believe anything until the Kremlin denies it!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, akd said: There are reports of two missiles. Could it be S-300 intercept / attempted intercept of Kh-555 near border? I can't see anything interesting for Russian cruise missiles on UKR territory in Przewodow area. Maybe Chervonohrad with coal mines and likely some power equipment in 25 km from Przewodow. Though if Russian missile targeted Chervonohrad area it should be intercepted over the town or hit some object, but it flew further and probably (!) being chased by UKR S-300 missile. But further... where and for what? Very starnge... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sojourner said: But they don't deny striking any non-targets. Anything coming from Russian offciials is a crap by definition. My preliminary thesis from very early reports ()bound to change): it could be that Russian missile went astray and followed by Ukrainian one. Locals told one source about 2-3 detonations. Mind anybody with apocalyptic tendencies, that Turks shot down Russian jet with no repercussions. Different circumstances, I know, but panick many people are spreading over Twitter is really getting out of controll. Probably AA batteries will be moved closer to the border, and supply for Ukraine increased. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beleg85 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Just now, Haiduk said: I can't see anything interesting for Russian cruise missiles on UKR territory in Przewodow area. Maybe Chervonohrad with coal mines and likely some power equipment in 25 km from Przewodow. Though if Russian missile targeted Chervonohrad area it should be intercepted over the town or hit some object, but it flew further and probably (!) being chased by UKR S-300 missile. But further... where and for what? Very starnge... My take exactly, all of it is strange. Unless Russians deliberatelly escalated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Beleg85 said: My take exactly, all of it is strange. Unless Russians deliberatelly escalated. Is the third photo with tail part of Kh-555 from impact site or just for comparison? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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