Professional.

[semmes]

It would have been a lot easier just to say: "The policy is not going to change because I don't want to be on the dole".

So, I will not get the correct/historical number of rounds or maybe in... 10 years? Probably not the most important thing 
but there are plenty of opinions... for me it would be that of shooting at people and them not taking cover... again, opinions.
Good to know.

About the LMG... not quite sure how many people would describe the BAR as more effective. The US Army tried to copy the MG 42, so not even them.
In a Napoleonic game, somebody's mod was to turn generals into immortal superheroes. I would not like to play that but some improvement to the 42, some reduction to the BAR, I would like to be able to do that. 
It is not going to happen, not happy to know it.

 

Indeed, among career officers nationalism of any sort was considered bad form at best, traitorous at worst. KUK.

[zmoney]

14 hours ago, BFCElvis said:

Nope. It is not a myth. 

What!!!!! I never heard this, what other games came about like this??? Would you guys be open to Kickstarter campaigns for different games/mods?

 

I have love CM/BFC since I was a young lad back in 03 when I found CMBB in the PX. My biggest complaint is the slowness with hot fix/patches. Do you guys for see now that your games are on steam that the patching process will be streamlined some what? I know nothing about code and am sure it’s harder than it looks but if you already have something fixed, why wait months to years to release the patch?

Edited October 21, 2021 by zmoney

[Sgt.Squarehead]

19 hours ago, Battlefront.com said:

As innovative as we think we are we don't feel like trying it out.

Please don't! 

19 hours ago, IanL said:

I hate subscription software

Me too!

 

[A Canadian Cat]

5 hours ago, zmoney said:

Do you guys for see now that your games are on steam that the patching process will be streamlined some what?

Obviously only Steve can really answer this but the thought that jumped into my head was "how would adding additional setup work and an additional layer of bureaucracy involving people from two other companies help streamline anything?"

 

[A Canadian Cat]

5 hours ago, zmoney said:

What!!!!! I never heard this, what other games came about like this???

Pretty cool eh? Steve has been very tight lipped on this only confirming it happened and never even hinting at who our benefactor might be.

If you are reading this - THANKS!

 

5 hours ago, zmoney said:

Would you guys be open to Kickstarter campaigns for different games/mods?

Kickstarter - that hasn't come up in a while. IIRC Steve isn't interested in dealing with it himself. I'm not sure how fans could use it. Can you even setup a Kickstarter campaign to raise money for something that you hope to convince another company to do but have no way to even ensure your proposal would even be considered?

[zmoney]

1 hour ago, IanL said:

Pretty cool eh? Steve has been very tight lipped on this only confirming it happened and never even hinting at who our benefactor might be.

If you are reading this - THANKS!

Yes very cool and thanks indeed. 

I actually mis-spoke/ typed when I said Kickstarter. I was thinking more on the lines of a go fund me. But Kickstarter would work too. I believe it would come down to how much is on their plate.

As far as the patches go I figured it may be cheaper to offer now that they are with steam instead of having to buy additional space themselves. But like I said, I’m ignorant when it comes how that stuff works.

[Sequoia]

It was a faction of the Sicilian Mafia whose leader was a Combat Mission fan who put up the cash for Fortress Italy as he wanted to play a game set in his homeland. He was a really good player, proving "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line" !

 

 

[Sgt.Squarehead]

I heard The Vatican had a hand in it. 

[Battlefront.com]

On 10/21/2021 at 1:46 AM, BornGinger said:

So which porsche do you have, then? I guess that's what you answered to.

None, but I did have a Pinzgauer 710M for quite a while.  Far more practical where I live, as a Porche wouldn't last more than 20 miles on our roads before too many important bits were scraped off the bottom.  Plus, a Pinzgauer is far sexier.  Well, at least to these eyes!

Steve

[Battlefront.com]

On 10/21/2021 at 4:52 AM, semmes said:

It would have been a lot easier just to say: "The policy is not going to change because I don't want to be on the dole".

Well, I have said that every single time we've had this discussion.  But you're missing the point, again.  I said that opening up the game engine isn't in our customers' best interests for a variety of reasons.  Those reasons translate into lower sales, which in turn translates to us flipping burgers.  That's the way Capitalism works.

On 10/21/2021 at 4:52 AM, semmes said:

So, I will not get the correct/historical number of rounds or maybe in... 10 years?

Ah, so you are admitting you're a troll?  Because that is what a statement such as this is telling me and, most likely, others here.  Which is probably why everybody ignored your post except for me.  Silly me!

On 10/21/2021 at 4:52 AM, semmes said:

About the LMG... not quite sure how many people would describe the BAR as more effective.

Nobody would.  And it isn't in the game either.

Steve

[Vergeltungswaffe]

4 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said:

...a Pinzgauer is far sexier.  Well, at least to these eyes!

Steve

Thas a naughty bit o'crumpet!

[Battlefront.com]

23 hours ago, zmoney said:

Yes very cool and thanks indeed. 

I actually mis-spoke/ typed when I said Kickstarter. I was thinking more on the lines of a go fund me. But Kickstarter would work too. I believe it would come down to how much is on their plate.

As far as the patches go I figured it may be cheaper to offer now that they are with steam instead of having to buy additional space themselves. But like I said, I’m ignorant when it comes how that stuff works.

There's been various suggestions to have us crowd fund something.  There's a couple of practical problems with that.

The way we work is we see an opportunity in our development schedule to make another game.  At that point we figure out what product is viable given various development constraints (time being the most important).  We only select games that we think will sell enough (i.e. have enough customer interest) to be profitable given our development costs. As long as everything goes as we need it to, the game gets made.

Crowd funding doesn't have much of a chance to influence this process because the constraints we have aren't mostly about money.

CMFI came about at a perfect time for us.  We were starting to figure out how to do parallel development and the funding we received helped us make that transition.  If the same amount of money were offered to us today, for pretty much any game idea, we'd turn it down.  We'd need to be offered a massive amount of money to change what we're doing and when.  Massive because we'd need enough to hire a second development team.

You guys should know by now how deliberate and strategic we are with the decisions we make.  So much so that recently we've been turning down pretty lucrative, substantial military contract work because we feel it conflicts too much with our strategic plan.

Steve

[Battlefront.com]

11 minutes ago, Vergeltungswaffe said:

Thas a naughty bit o'crumpet!

You bet it is!  I put its legendary off road capabilities to the test one day by accident.  Let's just say a Porche doesn't come with an axe and shovel as standard equipment, but then again it doesn't have to because "off road" for a Porche is parking garage

Steve

[Artkin]

21 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said:

None, but I did have a Pinzgauer 710M for quite a while.  Far more practical where I live, as a Porche wouldn't last more than 20 miles on our roads before too many important bits were scraped off the bottom.  Plus, a Pinzgauer is far sexier.  Well, at least to these eyes!

Steve

Sounds like New York to me. 

[A Canadian Cat]

28 minutes ago, Vergeltungswaffe said:

Thas a naughty bit o'crumpet!

A rare pic of it sitting in Steve's driveway

[Battlefront.com]

Nah, mine was in much nicer condition and I didn't have the custom winch on the front

OK, I'm going to stop thinking about the Piggy because it's making me sad.  I decided to move it along to someone else before I experienced a fatal transmission problem (#1 concern for Pinzgauer owners) and I still have regrets.  Damn, it was such a fun truck once you got over the vertigo of being so high up without an engine compartment in front.

Steve

[LukeFF]

6 hours ago, Battlefront.com said:

Ah, so you are admitting you're a troll?  Because that is what a statement such as this is telling me and, most likely, others here.  Which is probably why everybody ignored your post except for me.  Silly me!

Personally, I think he's one of those who thinks he's smarter than everyone else in the conversation and then tries to prove it further by tacking on some random pithy military quote at the end of his posts. 

Edited October 22, 2021 by LukeFF

[zmoney]

17 hours ago, Battlefront.com said:

Crowd funding doesn't have much of a chance to influence this process because the constraints we have aren't mostly about money.

CMFI came about at a perfect time for us.  We were starting to figure out how to do parallel development and the funding we received helped us make that transition.  If the same amount of money were offered to us today, for pretty much any game idea, we'd turn it down.  We'd need to be offered a massive amount of money to change what we're doing and when.  Massive because we'd need enough to hire a second development team.

This is kinda what I figured. Glad I didn’t start that go fund me for Poland invades the world lol.

[semmes]

True, but if I fire 20 rounds with a 42 I am going to hit less people than with a BAR.

I am a bit confuse with your definition of "troll" -and of "admitting" for that matter, are you going to correct the units of fire?
Asking this question is... what exactly?

So... if you go flipping burgers the community can keep changing the code and adding material, is that how Capitalism  works?
Yes, you have your arguments, hopefully it doesn't mean they are irrefutable.

The point is: It is not going to change.

Hey! maybe I bought a book of quotations -and I can read, they still sell them, right?

Better to give than to receive, just like Christmas. Bruce Bairnsfather, WWI.

[chuckdyke]

40 minutes ago, semmes said:

True, but if I fire 20 rounds with a 42 I am going to hit less people than with a BAR.

Comparing apples and oranges. The BAR and also the Bren can be used as a regular self loading rifle and in that role more accurate than the MG 42. The MG 42 however can double up as an HMG and in that role far superior. 

[Bufo]

4 minutes ago, chuckdyke said:

The MG 42 however can double up as an HMG and in that role far superior. 

I never understood this thinking. In my opinion a medium caliber machine gun can never become an HMG for that simple reason: it fires much less capable rounds. What makes an HMG an HMG is the stronger ammo with which you can tear down walls, shoot farther, defeat thinner armor and so on. With 7.92 you will never achieve that.

Edited October 23, 2021 by Bufo

[chuckdyke]

17 minutes ago, Bufo said:

HMG is the stronger ammo with which you can tear down walls,

The water cooled Vickers and the Russian Maxims shot regular rifle ammo and were classified as HMG's in WW2 because they were belt fed and required a tripod. The MG 42 function in both roles. The .50 Browning was a class apart during WW2. 

[domfluff]

1 hour ago, Bufo said:

I never understood this thinking. In my opinion a medium caliber machine gun can never become an HMG for that simple reason: it fires much less capable rounds. What makes an HMG an HMG is the stronger ammo with which you can tear down walls, shoot farther, defeat thinner armor and so on. With 7.92 you will never achieve that.

The definition of Machine Gun classes has evolved considerably over time, and a definition based on round size is only really applicable to the post WW2 world.

HMGs were originally a sustained fire weapon, so mounted in some manner, for example a tripod. Usually this would be belt-fed and water-cooled. Those were the key definitions, rather than calibre.

MMGs were a later evolution, and were primarily air-cooled. They were still belt-fed and tripod-mounted, and intended to be fired from fixed position but they were a little more mobile, due to the lack of a need for the water cooling system, but would not typically be fireable from a bipod.

LMGs were generally magazine fed and very mobile - providing limited sustained fire capability on a squad level. These would have bipods.


The GPMG by definition, is an air-cooled Machine Gun, belt fed and with the emphasis on sustained fire, but capable of being fired from a tripod or bipod, and performing both roles. Unlike an MMG, the GPMGs tend to have a quick-change barrel, often due to having lighter barrels to begin with. Clearly this is an MG which is more mobile than an MMG, but less capable of sustained fire over time, so it can do both roles (but tends to do them worse than the specialist weapons).


Since WW2, there's been a further emphasis on the calibre of bullets fired. SAW/LSW is fundamentally similar to an LMG, but it's firing an intermediate cartridge, for example. The M2 and DShK then are now classified as a "HMG", since there's now a good reason to separate out those terms, but this does represent a redefining of the term. WW2 was a transitional period in that respect, so many so-called "HMG" in WW2 might be more properly considered "MMG" under the current definitions.

[ZPB II]

Bren tripods, anyone? I feel like this is the moment when we should be talking about Bren tripods.

[chuckdyke]

7 minutes ago, ZPB II said:

Bren tripods

It was used to enable vehicle use.