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I watched a youtube video about the Eastern Front and noticed this in a Russian or Ukraine village which the Germans walked through. Isn't that kind of large Lenin statue and other Leninist-Stalinist props something the game needs to really be viewed as finished?

I wonder what the people living in that village thought when that statue was being put there. I guess they were hoping to be cared for properly by the government if they polished it at least once a month.

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16 hours ago, BornGinger said:

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I watched a youtube video about the Eastern Front and noticed this in a Russian or Ukraine village which the Germans walked through. Isn't that kind of large Lenin statue and other Leninist-Stalinist props something the game needs to really be viewed as finished?

I wonder what the people living in that village thought when that statue was being put there. I guess they were hoping to be cared for properly by the government if they polished it at least once a month.

Good point, actually.

That would be the perfect flavour object for @Aragorn2002

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18 hours ago, BornGinger said:

I wonder what the people living in that village thought when that statue was being put there. I guess they were hoping to be cared for properly by the government if they polished it at least once a month.

Maybe they were happy that Russia was no longer a feudal society in which peasants were considered private property of the local lord.

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1 hour ago, Bulletpoint said:

Maybe they were happy that Russia was no longer a feudal society in which peasants were considered private property of the local lord.

Good point.  Most of the peoples living in Ukraine and Baltic regions were effectively slaves of the Tsars.  Hmm... maybe we can get compensation?

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32 minutes ago, Erwin said:

Good point.  Most of the peoples living in Ukraine and Baltic regions were effectively slaves of the Tsars.  Hmm... maybe we can get compensation?

Also most Russians living in Russia..

The point here is that Russia didn't become communist because they didn't want freedom. They became communist exactly because they wanted freedom.

Of course, that's not exactly what they got. At least not all of them. But I'd wager a lot of them were quite OK with not being farm slaves any more.

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"Russia didn't become communist" Well you're right there, The Bolsheviks failed miserably to create a communist society, in the words of one Czech socialist back in '68 they only established a "party oligarchy". Of course, I was too busy watching Man Utd win the European Cup to bother about such things. I know that Ricky Lenin, Terry Trotsky and Stevie Stalin did go on to play for Felchester Rovers but that is a tad outside of the realm of CM.

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17 hours ago, Bulletpoint said:

Russia was no longer a feudal society in which peasants were considered private property of the local lord.

There was no big difference but now the Tsar or Lord callled himself Partymember Official over the area or NKVD Officer over the area.

Whatever his position the people was still treated much the same.

Now they were working on a kolchoz where the production was not for the people working it to eat and sell but for the large masses of slaves to the system.

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7 hours ago, BornGinger said:

Whatever his position the people was still treated much the same.

Worse even...  Under Stalin individual farming was outlawed and all food was the property of the state.  It was the only major product he could sell for export to get the money to industrialize the USSR.  As "Bloodlands" describes in gruesome detail, this led to many millions of Ukrainians being deliberately killed off due to dying of starvation.  

That was in addition to the millions executed or dying while deported.  Over 10 million were killed in this way in the 20's and 30's b4 Hitler got competitive.

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1 hour ago, BornGinger said:

That's way they needed staues of Dedushka Lenin and Stalin to be reminded of their duty to do what they were taught and told to do.

A shining statue of Lenin in every Red Thunder village would be nice.

In Stalingrad we simply must have them....

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You may not have Lenin to keep you warm at night but the game does provide an Otto von Bismarck statue to cuddle up with. And someone else but I can't remember who... Ah! I remember now - Frederick The Great!

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4 hours ago, MikeyD said:

You may not have Lenin to keep you warm at night but the game does provide an Otto von Bismarck statue to cuddle up with. And someone else but I can't remember who... Ah! I remember now - Frederick The Great!

Both great men. Nice touch!

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On 6/25/2021 at 3:41 PM, Warts 'n' all said:

The only good thing about their statues is target practice.  And if you want to cuddle them, you need serious medical help.

Given your Cromwell complex those are harsh words, Warts.¬†ūüėČ

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3 hours ago, Aragorn2002 said:

Indeed. Better to keep it civil. 

Yes, it is always best to keep things "civil" even in times of war as I tried telling the Stinkpots. In the meantime in the spirit of Basil Fawlty I shall refrain from mentioning the footy.

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The statues of Lenin and Stalin are more relevant to the 1941 campaign. In 1944 the Red Army liberated the occupied territories. All the statues of the communist leaders were destroyed by the Nazis. (This is exactly what happened in my hometown.)

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28 minutes ago, Zeleban said:

The statues of Lenin and Stalin are more relevant to the 1941 campaign. In 1944 the Red Army liberated the occupied territories. All the statues of the communist leaders were destroyed by the Nazis. (This is exactly what happened in my hometown.)

Good point.

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On 6/23/2021 at 10:19 PM, Bulletpoint said:

Also most Russians living in Russia..

The point here is that Russia didn't become communist because they didn't want freedom. They became communist exactly because they wanted freedom.

Of course, that's not exactly what they got. At least not all of them. But I'd wager a lot of them were quite OK with not being farm slaves any more.

So-called "serfdom" was abolished in Russia in 1861. In 1861 the number of serfs was about 35% of population. 

Communist "October revolution" of 1917 didn't topple Russian monarchy. Actually, tsar was forced to abdicate during "February revolution" in 1917, when Russia became parliamentary democracy. Since February to October Russia literally was the most politically free state on Earth. It was the first country in the world to provide equal voting rights to everybody, including all sexes without distinction by wealth or any categories.  

Under the veil of free speech it also gave ground to scammers of all sorts, like Bolsheviks, who with the help of Germany overthrew the government and proclaimed "dictatorship of proletariat".

On 6/23/2021 at 9:42 PM, Erwin said:

Good point.  Most of the peoples living in Ukraine and Baltic regions were effectively slaves of the Tsars.  Hmm... maybe we can get compensation?

Serfdom wasn't allowed in most of "national" parts of the Russian Empire. In Baltics it was abolished long before  "metropolis" in 1804. In Finland after it was attached to Russia after Napoleonic wars it was never implemented. All the national regions enjoyed greater economic and political rights to stimulate their seamless integration and promote their advantages. 

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