A question about Soviet Rifle Battalion 44 squads (tested on both v2.10 and v2.11)

[SergeantSqook]

In the base RT and FR scenarios(at least as far as I'm aware, flicked through about half the FR scenarios and most of the base game ones), Soviet Rifle Battalion 44 squads are like this: with 3 teams

 

However when choosing a Soviet rifle battalion in the scenario editor, all the battalion 44 squads will be like this: near identical, but missing one of the teams.

 

Additionally; the 1st platoon of each company is now SMGs

(1st battalion is the one currently in use for FR Katabasis, 2nd is an identical one I added for comparison of what's in the scenario compared to what we seem to get now(squads above are both taken from these formations)) No pictures, but I also pulled up some rifle battalions in June 1944 and it was the same.

 

Just wondering if this was intentional or a bug because I don't see any changes mentioned in the readmes or patch thread. Additionally, neither the base game or FR scenarios have squads like this, it's just what I get when I pick that formation now.

 

The examples I've used here are all Guards Rifle 44, but it seems to be consistent for regular rifle battalion 44s as well

 

[George MC]

5 minutes ago, SergeantSqook said:

In the base RT and FR scenarios(at least as far as I'm aware, flicked through about half the FR scenarios and most of the base game ones), Soviet Rifle Battalion 44 squads are like this: with 3 teams

 

However when choosing a Soviet rifle battalion in the scenario editor, all the battalion 44 squads will be like this: near identical, but missing one of the teams.

 

Additionally; the 1st platoon of each company is now SMGs

(1st battalion is the one currently in use for FR Katabasis, 2nd is an identical one I added for comparison of what's in the scenario compared to what we seem to get now(squads above are both taken from these formations)) No pictures, but I also pulled up some rifle battalions in June 1944 and it was the same.

 

Just wondering if this was intentional or a bug because I don't see any changes mentioned in the readmes or patch thread. Additionally, neither the base game or FR scenarios have squads like this, it's just what I get when I pick that formation now.

 

The examples I've used here are all Guards Rifle 44, but it seems to be consistent for regular rifle battalion 44s as well

 

IIRC there were some last minute tweaks to various units based on research. To avoid ‘breaking’ scenarios authors had the choice to retain the older TOE or update. Some did but others would take too long to repurchase and redeploy (not counting reassigning AI groups, unit objs etc). 

@akd who is a ToE whizz would be better able to comment for sure  

 

[Rinaldi]

Thanks for the response there George, had been wondering this myself. 

[akd]

George is correct.  The smaller squad is much closer to historical reality for 1944-45, but updating scenario TO&E requires deletion and repurchase of the unit to see the changes.

[DMS]

Does game engine allow to make gunner a squad leader assistant also?

[SergeantSqook]

Thanks @akdand @George MC, good stuff

[akd]

On 6/20/2021 at 12:39 PM, DMS said:

Does game engine allow to make gunner a squad leader assistant also?

Not really, and it is pretty clear that the primary role of the senior rifleman was to operate the LMG.