New British Challenger Tank announced

[Redwolf]

People also need to get the idea that the really cool amor on modern tanks is still only pointed to the front.

Sides and rear are just not the same. 

[Artkin]

5 hours ago, snarre said:

thous are leo2a4 and if i remeber right ( 5 destroyet on total) , this was destroyet on close combat range and leos was whit out infantry support . basicly turkis army did ewerything what you should not do whit leo2 .

True. I believe it was 6 Leopard and 4 M60T's that were destroyed that day. They sat in the open and got atgm'd one by one

Edited May 10, 2021 by Artkin

[Bufo]

On 5/10/2021 at 12:12 AM, Flibby said:

Hesh rounds are far more useable in modern warfare than APFSDS where you are more likely to face some Arabs in a Toyota than another tank anyway.

The counterpart to HESH is HEAT-FS, not APFSDS. The challenger also uses the darts.

[Bufo]

[Artkin]

IDK how I overlooked the change of ammunition when watching the video. Cool. So they did it primarily for the ammunition standardization. 

[LongLeftFlank]

@JasonC, sadly long lost to these Forums, had the following comments on the British armoured forces last Sept. over on BGG, in his usual pungent style:

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Near as I can tell, this is the present ground force of the United Kingdom -

Heavy forces

• 1 tank battalion with Challenger 2 tanks
• 9 mechanized infantry battalions
• 3 light armor battalions
• 1 MLRS battalion (9 launchers)
• 2 155mm SP artillery battalions
• 2 light 105mm artillery battalions
• plus reserves, 1 additional MLRS and 3 additional towed 105mm artillery battalions

Airborne forces

• 2 para infantry battalions
• 2 helo assault infantry battalions

Light, mixed active and reserve

• 5 light armor recon battalions
• 18 light infantry battalions
• no additional artillery

 

So they could put 1 mechanized infantry division in the field and one airborne brigade.

Beyond that, if they call up all reserves they could add 2 extra divisions of light infantry with minimal heavy weapons.

The active force has 76,300 personnel and with all reserves called up the army can rise to 100,000.

The country literally has 1 tank battalion within 1 heavy division in a nation of 64.5 million people with a 2019 (pre covid) GDP of $2.8 trillion per year. That is 13% of US GDP (1/7.5 about) and 21% of US population (1/5 about).

For comparison, the US maintains 15 active and 8 national guard divisions. So the UK has about half the force size per unit economic size and one third the force size per unit population, with about half as heavy a force mix, as well.

And that's not looking at the navy or air force comparsions.

My point was and is - who cares what tank doctrine a nation has when it literally has all of 1 tank battalion?

 

 

Ouch.

[dbsapp]

1 hour ago, LongLeftFlank said:

@JasonC, sadly long lost to these Forums, had the following comments on the British armoured forces last Sept. over on BGG, in his usual pungent style:

Ouch.

In the beginning of WW2 British could deploy only 2 divisions in Europe.

That didn't stop her from winning the war

[Erwin]

Important to note that it was Britain and its (then) empire plus the US, plus the Soviets (who did most of the heavy lifting).

[dbsapp]

It doesn't matter how many Challengers you have if they are defended by Channel!

[Erwin]

"Defended by Chanel" - I like the sound of that.

[LongLeftFlank]

So the Chally is a modern day Martello Tower then?