What Subject For The First CMCW Module?

[Combatintman]

1 hour ago, Der Zeitgeist said:

The Reichstag building in West Berlin probably would have been taken by Warsaw Pact forces within the first hour of any cold war gone hot-style invasion scenario, as it sat literally right next to the Berlin Wall.

So, no, not much fighting to be done there.

There was certainly a good view of the death strip and some fairly aggressive dogs in the early 80s from the Reichstag on the Soviet Sector side of the River.

[SpitfireXI]

On 5/8/2021 at 8:00 AM, Der Zeitgeist said:

The Reichstag building in West Berlin probably would have been taken by Warsaw Pact forces within the first hour of any cold war gone hot-style invasion scenario, as it sat literally right next to the Berlin Wall.

So, no, not much fighting to be done there.

Thats what would make it grand

[evilman222]

I was thinking something a bit more out of the box, and maybe them doing a module featuring Turkish forces fighting in NE Turkey and into the Caucuses.

Edited May 13, 2021 by evilman222

[Erwin]

If you could do that... excellent.  

[Combatintman]

1 hour ago, evilman222 said:

I was thinking something a bit more out of the box, and maybe them doing a module featuring Turkish forces fighting in NE Turkey and into the Caucuses.

All fine and dandy to spread horizons but realistically any first module, if it appears, will be somewhere else on the Central Front or feature new nations that would have fought there.  In terms of likelihood and potential sales that means the Brits, West and East Germany, Canadians, French, Belgians and Cloggies.

[SpitfireXI]

And some Danes?  But how much fun would a Norwegian module be?  Fighting in the fjords.

[Vergeltungswaffe]

They might even have parrots pinin' for the fjords.

[Aragorn2002]

On 5/13/2021 at 4:38 PM, Combatintman said:

All fine and dandy to spread horizons but realistically any first module, if it appears, will be somewhere else on the Central Front or feature new nations that would have fought there.  In terms of likelihood and potential sales that means the Brits, West and East Germany, Canadians, French, Belgians and Cloggies.

You forget the Dutch. Much more important than the Canadians, French or Belgians. 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Aragorn2002

[Double Deuce]

I would personally rate a module with the rest of the Warsaw Pact nations low on the priority list. For the most part, they're essentially using the similar enough equipment/organization (with some exceptions of course) and would probably be sufficiently accomplished via a thorough mod. I'd shoot for either the West Germans and Brits as the next module. 

[danfrodo]

45 minutes ago, Aragorn2002 said:

You forget the Dutch. Much more important than the Canadians, French or Belgians. 

More important for sure.  And taller.  And they all wear black.  At least last time I was there.

[Combatintman]

1 hour ago, Aragorn2002 said:

You forget the Dutch. Much more important than the Canadians, French or Belgians. 

Cloggies = Nederlander.

[Aragorn2002]

Just now, Combatintman said:

Cloggies = Nederlander.

Never heard of that. Where does that come from?

[Aragorn2002]

51 minutes ago, danfrodo said:

More important for sure.  And taller.  And they all wear black.  At least last time I was there.

When was that, Dan?

[Combatintman]

Clogs meneer - people who wear clogs = cloggies = Nederlander.  British Army slang.

[Aragorn2002]

1 minute ago, Combatintman said:

Clogs meneer - people who wear clogs = cloggies = Nederlander.  British Army slang.

Funny, never heard of that. You guys never forgave us Chatham, did you?

[Combatintman]

1 minute ago, Aragorn2002 said:

Funny, never heard of that. You guys never forgave us Chatham, did you?

I'd ask @Warts 'n' allabout that ... closer to his time than mine 

[Aragorn2002]

2 minutes ago, Combatintman said:

I'd ask @Warts 'n' allabout that ... closer to his time than mine 

Yeah, he's the expert on that period. I probably should have said Medway.

Edited May 14, 2021 by Aragorn2002

[Combatintman]

1 minute ago, Aragorn2002 said:

Yeah, he's the expert on that period. I probably should have said Medway.

Oh I know about the Medway alright - and no dramas.  So to close this one - Cloggies was very much a friendly slang term for the Dutch, indeed I don't think we ever had an unfriendly slang term for the Dutch - and sure I'd love to see 1 (NL) Corps in a module.

[Aragorn2002]

4 minutes ago, Combatintman said:

Oh I know about the Medway alright - and no dramas.  So to close this one - Cloggies was very much a friendly slang term for the Dutch, indeed I don't think we ever had an unfriendly slang term for the Dutch - and sure I'd love to see 1 (NL) Corps in a module.

But not before the British. They should be in first. 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Aragorn2002

[Holman]

On 5/8/2021 at 8:00 AM, Der Zeitgeist said:

The Reichstag building in West Berlin probably would have been taken by Warsaw Pact forces within the first hour of any cold war gone hot-style invasion scenario, as it sat literally right next to the Berlin Wall.

So, no, not much fighting to be done there.

I haven't spent any time in the CMCW map editor, but how is it for 1970s-80s urban architecture?

Berlin might not be much of a battle, but fighting would surely be serious in Hamburg, Hannover, etc. And of Course Frankfurt and Cologne/Bonn would probably be the ultimate targets for the Pact invasion plan.

Perhaps the West-and-East German DLC could include appropriate urban terrain as well.

[db_zero]

I would like to see the the Arab vs - Israeli conflict modeled, but given the current climate that probably won't happen. Falklands would be interesting, but probably too limited and not enough to cover.

Asia as mentioned would be great, but I've mentioned in the past with other titles and that looks like it's not ever going to happen, same with Vietnam. I saw an interview with the designer and aside from the can of worms it may open you have the issue of modeling helicopter insertion of troops-something the game engine is not designed for. Would be cool if we could see helicopters zooming in and dropping off troops and river patrol boats, but that would probably require a new game engine.

In terms of 1970-80s NATO vs Warsaw Pact I vote for Norway. Then Turkey and the Southern Front. For me its the variety it would bring-not just troops, but terrain,climate and overall feel. US Marines, Nordic forces, the Turks, Italians...

Regardless, whatever is released, I'll buy.

 

 

[Combatintman]

7 minutes ago, Holman said:

I haven't spent any time in the CMCW map editor, but how is it for 1970s-80s urban architecture?

Berlin might not be much of a battle, but fighting would surely be serious in Hamburg, Hannover, etc. And of Course Frankfurt and Cologne/Bonn would probably be the ultimate targets for the Pact invasion plan.

Perhaps the West-and-East German DLC could include appropriate urban terrain as well.

To be fair its not great for the period but a lot of stuff crosses over from other titles.  Flavour objects need more work for sure but you can make perfectly acceptable maps of 70s/80s Germany if you know what you're doing.

[domfluff]

Just now, db_zero said:

I would like to see the the Arab vs - Israeli conflict modeled, but given the current climate that probably won't happen. Falklands would be interesting, but probably too limited and not enough to cover.

Asia as mentioned would be great, but I've mentioned in the past with other titles and that looks like it's not ever going to happen, same with Vietnam. I saw an interview with the designer and aside from the can of worms it may open you have the issue of modeling helicopter insertion of troops-something the game engine is not designed for. Would be cool if we could see helicopters zooming in and dropping off troops and river patrol boats, but that would probably require a new game engine.

In terms of 1970-80s NATO vs Warsaw Pact I vote for Norway. Then Turkey and the Southern Front. For me its the variety it would bring-not just troops, but terrain,climate and overall feel. US Marines, Nordic forces, the Turks, Italians...

Regardless, whatever is released, I'll buy.

The best bet for doing real stuff is to take the CMSF approach, and do hypothetical stuff that can translate.

There's not really enough scope in the Falklands land war to fill a CM game, but if you have CW period BAOR, then you've got the kit - you then need the appropriate terrain. The opposition are a little trickier, but perhaps not so important a distinction, and you can do Goose Green or the like.

Likewise, a (later) module that focused on a hypothetical US involvement in the Afghanistan war would allow you to sneak in a CM:A2 by the back door - you could have historical scenarios and ahistorical ones side by side.

You already have most of the kit to do a fairly accurate Yom Kippur - Centurion might be the biggest thing missing. That kind of thing.

[JM Stuff]

I would like to see and I was vote for west and east germany, because it is simple logic and obvious that they are present in the game to mutually defend their country, one being in front of the other,  and if we want to keep the mention and the region of the famous Fulda Gap... the German and the British are the more close of these region, and will take the first place. 
Having a western and eastern german nation, will give the oportunity to use them in the Nord Center and in the Sud also, giving more possibilities to created or using differents terrains, and differents kind of scenarios !

JM

Edited May 14, 2021 by JM Stuff

[ng cavscout]

1 hour ago, db_zero said:

I would like to see the the Arab vs - Israeli conflict modeled, but given the current climate that probably won't happen. Falklands would be interesting, but probably too limited and not enough to cover.

Asia as mentioned would be great, but I've mentioned in the past with other titles and that looks like it's not ever going to happen, same with Vietnam. I saw an interview with the designer and aside from the can of worms it may open you have the issue of modeling helicopter insertion of troops-something the game engine is not designed for. Would be cool if we could see helicopters zooming in and dropping off troops and river patrol boats, but that would probably require a new game engine.

In terms of 1970-80s NATO vs Warsaw Pact I vote for Norway. Then Turkey and the Southern Front. For me its the variety it would bring-not just troops, but terrain,climate and overall feel. US Marines, Nordic forces, the Turks, Italians...

Regardless, whatever is released, I'll buy.

 

 

The new DLC for Arma3 - Prairie Fire S.O.G. - might be up your alley, especially the Mike Force mode.