Region Germany not available in 1944?

[Aragorn2002]

I see in the Editor that the region Germany is only available in 1945, although the Red army reached East Prussia in October 1944. Am I right about this and if so, can that please be corrected in a future patch?

[weapon2010]

So is East Prussia considered Germany ? or just west of it? putting it in the Eastern Europe region. I'm no expert.

[Aragorn2002]

27 minutes ago, weapon2010 said:

So is East Prussia considered Germany ? or just west of it? putting it in the Eastern Europe region. I'm no expert.

That's okay. Well, I would say East Prussia is definitely Germany. Same architecture, especially in the larger towns and cities. Protestant churches like the Immanuel Kirche in Schirwindt, typical German official buildings and so on. A fast google on East Prussian towns like Goldap, Gumbinnen and Königsberg will confirm that.

I also see there aren't really autumn textures for the discolouring autumn trees, but that's okay, since I have a good mod for that, which will hopefully still work.

Edited April 25, 2021 by Aragorn2002

[Artkin]

MG was a failure bro

[Aragorn2002]

4 minutes ago, Artkin said:

MG was a failure bro

What do you mean exactly, bro?

[Bubba883XL]

FR has autumn trees,??

[Aragorn2002]

13 minutes ago, Bubba883XL said:

FR has autumn trees,??

I don't think so. The trees turn from normal in november to leafless in december.

Edited April 25, 2021 by Aragorn2002

[Bubba883XL]

i think so lol have you played it?

[Aragorn2002]

19 minutes ago, Bubba883XL said:

i think so lol have you played it?

Perhaps using movie mode has prevented me to see it.

Do the trees change colour in autumn? I'm not at home right now, so I can't check.

 

Edited April 25, 2021 by Aragorn2002

[Bubba883XL]

lol Ive played mission Arbeitslager and it seemed close to autumn

[Aragorn2002]

4 minutes ago, Bubba883XL said:

lol Ive played mission Arbeitslager and it seemed close to autumn

I will check it when I get home.

Edited April 25, 2021 by Aragorn2002

[Artkin]

1 hour ago, Aragorn2002 said:

What do you mean exactly, bro?

MG was supposed to get allied troops into Germany before 1945!  

[Aragorn2002]

1 minute ago, Artkin said:

MG was supposed to get allied troops into Germany before 1945!  

Very helpful, Artkin, thank you so much. 

[Aragorn2002]

29 minutes ago, Bubba883XL said:

lol Ive played mission Arbeitslager and it seemed close to autumn

I've checked it and their is no month with discoloured trees. As said, not a real problem, since I have a tag/mod for that.

That only leaves the question why the region Germany is only available in 1945?

[Vet 0369]

3 hours ago, Aragorn2002 said:

That's okay. Well, I would say East Prussia is definitely Germany. Same architecture, especially in the larger towns and cities. Protestant churches like the Immanuel Kirche in Schirwindt, typical German official buildings and so on. A fast google on East Prussian towns like Goldap, Gumbinnen and Königsberg will confirm that.

I also see there aren't really autumn textures for the discolouring autumn trees, but that's okay, since I have a good mod for that, which will hopefully still work.

It might be because East Prussia and West Prussia were separated by Poland after WWI. If I had to make a geographic determination, I’d put East Prussia in Eastern Europe along with Lithuania. Since CMRT covers the battles from Operation Bagration (sp?) to the battle for Warsaw, which is west of the East Prussia region, I’d expect East Prussia to be covered under the base CMRT.

[benpark]

I can't recall what confines were present for the October/January start date- TO&E, possibly, or the January date being the start of continued, sustained combat within the confines of Germany.

In the meantime use [germany] as your Mod Tag. That should kick everything (buildings, etc) in when you load it, and keep the seasonal stuff.

[Aragorn2002]

41 minutes ago, benpark said:

I can't recall what confines were present for the October/January start date- TO&E, possibly, or the January date being the start of continued, sustained combat within the confines of Germany.

In the meantime use [germany] as your Mod Tag. That should kick everything (buildings, etc) in when you load it, and keep the seasonal stuff.

I will do that. Thanks, Benpark.

[BornGinger]

4 hours ago, Vet 0369 said:

It might be because East Prussia and West Prussia were separated by Poland after WWI. If I had to make a geographic determination, I’d put East Prussia in Eastern Europe along with Lithuania.

Why judge a WW2 situation on how things were after WW2?

Prussia is northern central Europe and was only seen as belonging to eastern Europe because of the so called Iron Curtain which put many central european countries in the cathegory called "East Europe".

I'm pretty sure Polish and Czech people don't consider themselves as eastern europeans but central europeans, just as Austrians never considered themselves as eastern europeans and during the time of the Iron Curtain wasn't seen as part of East Europe although Austria, Czech Rep. and Poland are positioned quite similarly if one draws a line from the Baltic Sea to The Mediterannean.

[JoMac]

8 hours ago, weapon2010 said:

So is East Prussia considered Germany ? or just west of it? putting it in the Eastern Europe region. I'm no expert.

Don't EVER, Ever, Ever consider East Prussia part of Eastern Europe...You Heathen :-/

[DesertFox]

10 hours ago, Aragorn2002 said:

I see in the Editor that the region Germany is only available in 1945, although the Red army reached East Prussia in October 1944. Am I right about this and if so, can that please be corrected in a future patch?

I guess they pretty much went with this (map below - Baltic offensive - Wikipedia). Technically you are correct (Goldap Operation: Soviets in the Prussian Heartland - Warfare History Network), but is there a meaningfull difference in the editor with regard to terrain/building features between germany and east europe?

[Aragorn2002]

17 hours ago, DesertFox said:

I guess they pretty much went with this (map below - Baltic offensive - Wikipedia). Technically you are correct (Goldap Operation: Soviets in the Prussian Heartland - Warfare History Network), but is there a meaningfull difference in the editor with regard to terrain/building features between germany and east europe?

For buildings most certainly. German buildings look quite different.

[Kevin2k]

Indeed. I count about 1000 files / 1,5GB of Germany specific textures, and some models in the addon. Did not have to count it by hand fortunately. It seems most buildings in the game have Germany specific appearance available now.

[MikeyD]

Germany proper officially comes into play in the game at the conclusion of the Vistula-Oder offensive which reached it farthest west point on December 31 just a few kilometers from Seelow.

[Aragorn2002]

26 minutes ago, MikeyD said:

Germany proper officially comes into play in the game at the conclusion of the Vistula-Oder offensive which reached it farthest west point on December 31 just a few kilometers from Seelow.

That offensive started in January 1945 actually.

[Aragorn2002]

On 4/25/2021 at 8:27 PM, benpark said:

I can't recall what confines were present for the October/January start date- TO&E, possibly, or the January date being the start of continued, sustained combat within the confines of Germany.

In the meantime use [germany] as your Mod Tag. That should kick everything (buildings, etc) in when you load it, and keep the seasonal stuff.

Benpark, can you explain to me how to do that exactly?