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Let me lead off by first stating that, if you haven't read Tiger Tracks or the Last Panther, I suggest you do. They are great novels. Are they actually memoirs of a panzer crewman named Wolfgang Faust? I doubt it. They read too much like historical fiction for me.

However, the narrative content contained in the two books would, IMHO, make great content for a narrative campaign. Both books tell a very good and emotional story about the horrors of mechanized warfare on the Eastern Front.

A Tiger Tracks campaign is probably doable now with the CMRT Winter Mod, not so sure if a Last Panther campaign would require assets from FR to complete. Anyone have any thoughts about this?

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16 hours ago, Von Richthofen said:

Let me lead off by first stating that, if you haven't read Tiger Tracks or the Last Panther, I suggest you do.

If nothing else, thanks for the reading suggestions.  I'm reading Zamulin's 'Demolishing the myth' at the moment but will check them out.

As for new campaigns I would wholeheartedly welcome (and play-test 😉) them.  And of course F&R is nearly here, so if later content is needed it should be available soon...

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2 hours ago, Vacilllator said:

If nothing else, thanks for the reading suggestions.  I'm reading Zamulin's 'Demolishing the myth' at the moment but will check them out.

As for new campaigns I would wholeheartedly welcome (and play-test 😉) them.  And of course F&R is nearly here, so if later content is needed it should be available soon...

I’d save your money. These pseudo-memoirs are utter tripe. All the books in this series are the same cobbled together mush mash. No relation or bearing to history. Sven Hassel Books would better. At least you know they’re fiction. 
 

If you’re looking for first person accounts linked to Tiger’s Otto Carius’s memoirs would be a better option - although he was not above embellishing the narrative! Another good option is Panzer Ace https://www.amazon.co.uk/Panzer-Ace-Commander-Barbarossa-Normandy/dp/1784382663/ref=nodl Freiherr von Rosen. Some selective recall but still an interesting read. 

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38 minutes ago, George MC said:

I’d save your money. These pseudo-memoirs are utter tripe. All the books in this series are the same cobbled together mush mash. No relation or bearing to history. Sven Hassel Books would better. At least you know they’re fiction. 
 

If you’re looking for first person accounts linked to Tiger’s Otto Carius’s memoirs would be a better option - although he was not above embellishing the narrative! Another good option is Panzer Ace https://www.amazon.co.uk/Panzer-Ace-Commander-Barbarossa-Normandy/dp/1784382663/ref=nodl Freiherr von Rosen. Some selective recall but still an interesting read. 

I respectfully disagree with you here, I also think the two books are works of fiction but I personally enjoyed both the stories and think they'd make for interesting campaigns in a CM style game

 

Very much enjoyed Carius's book, still haven't gotten around to reading Panzer Ace (though it is on my 2021 reading list for sure!)

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7 hours ago, Von Richthofen said:

I respectfully disagree with you here, I also think the two books are works of fiction but I personally enjoyed both the stories and think they'd make for interesting campaigns in a CM style game

 

Very much enjoyed Carius's book, still haven't gotten around to reading Panzer Ace (though it is on my 2021 reading list for sure!)

I’ve no issue with you disagreeing - my key gripe is they masquerade as true stories. Real history. For those less discerning or unable that is an issue as it promulgates myths and a very skewed sense of history.

In any case his ability to see through his glass plated Tiger, the incorrect Tiger crew positions, the plainly wrong combat results - T-34/85s unable to KO Tigers when in reality they could deal a works of hurt all really boiled ma piss :)
 

Even the two books I suggest need to be read with a pinch of a salt and placed in a wider perspective being very German centric views. 
 

Just show I’m not averse to embellished narratives I really enjoyed Panzer Aces I when I first read it. Twenty odd years later I see it in a very different light. 
 

One book from the other side of the hill worth checking out is Loza’s Commanding The Red Army Sherman Tanks. Again wee pinch of salt but interesting first hand accounts of Soviet Shermans in action. 
 

Cheery!

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11 hours ago, George MC said:

I’ve no issue with you disagreeing - my key gripe is they masquerade as true stories. Real history. For those less discerning or unable that is an issue as it promulgates myths and a very skewed sense of history.

In any case his ability to see through his glass plated Tiger, the incorrect Tiger crew positions, the plainly wrong combat results - T-34/85s unable to KO Tigers when in reality they could deal a works of hurt all really boiled ma piss :)
 

Even the two books I suggest need to be read with a pinch of a salt and placed in a wider perspective being very German centric views. 
 

Just show I’m not averse to embellished narratives I really enjoyed Panzer Aces I when I first read it. Twenty odd years later I see it in a very different light. 
 

One book from the other side of the hill worth checking out is Loza’s Commanding The Red Army Sherman Tanks. Again wee pinch of salt but interesting first hand accounts of Soviet Shermans in action. 
 

Cheery!

I will agree with you on several of those points, the ahisotricity of the opening engagement in TT was what first made me think it sounded fishy. The all-seeing Eye of Sauron drivers plate always makes me chuckle when i reread the novel as well. And I've always doubted there were regiments of IS-2s in winter of 43 in Ukraine. But since I'm well versed in the history and myths of the Eastern Front, I was able to note these and still enjoy the book as an entertaining read and a good story, if nothing else. (I didn't realize the Tiger crew positions were incorrect. What positions were out of place, if you don't mind me asking? It's been a while since I read TT and can't remember those sorts of specific details).

I personally found The Last Panther to be a good narrative that captured the desperation of the Halbe breakout....minus the protagonist running into literally every German tank of the war😂

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2 hours ago, Von Richthofen said:

I will agree with you on several of those points, the ahisotricity of the opening engagement in TT was what first made me think it sounded fishy. The all-seeing Eye of Sauron drivers plate always makes me chuckle when i reread the novel as well. And I've always doubted there were regiments of IS-2s in winter of 43 in Ukraine. But since I'm well versed in the history and myths of the Eastern Front, I was able to note these and still enjoy the book as an entertaining read and a good story, if nothing else. (I didn't realize the Tiger crew positions were incorrect. What positions were out of place, if you don't mind me asking? It's been a while since I read TT and can't remember those sorts of specific details).

I personally found The Last Panther to be a good narrative that captured the desperation of the Halbe breakout....minus the protagonist running into literally every German tank of the war😂

Its been a while myself. IIRC its the radio operator who is sitting in the turret. As I said my issue with it is it masquerades as fact i.e. veteran recollections as do many of the books from this publisher when plainly they are not. That's my beef. A great many people not as clued up as you to the history and myths of the Eastern Front will lap it up as fact. I've  a vague recollection of him kicking the driver when he is the commander in the turret, which is odd... Given the gunner would be in the way and the driver is just under 3m away...

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16 hours ago, George MC said:

really boiled ma piss

Haha George, I like the cut of your gib (sorry, vernacular).  As a big fan of your CM work, I will also take your advice on reading material.  I'm quite well versed in Tiger crew positions so I imagine that would have raised an eyebrow with me too.

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