rocketman Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Seeing the long list of air assets on both sides, will the game support them fighting each other and not only ground to air? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 53 minutes ago, rocketman said: Seeing the long list of air assets on both sides, will the game support them fighting each other and not only ground to air? No. CM does not do air to air anything. Al that would happen outside the confines of a tactical battle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, rocketman said: Seeing the long list of air assets on both sides, will the game support them fighting each other and not only ground to air? All the games do. It just all happens before they arrive on the CM battlefield 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 If the scenario orders tell you your air support's bases have been bombed that's an event out of scope of the scenario that still affects immediate gameplay. Same goes for your artillery support hit by counter-batter fire or reinforcements not arriving due to blown bridges or an off-map WMD event. These don't happen on-screen but they shape the battlefield nonetheless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 OK, thought it might be a change in scope as I would imagine the size of an invasion would include a lot of air assets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultradave Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I'll tell you what is fun though, is watching that Redeye plume streak off and then get the message of "Aircraft Destroyed" Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, Ultradave said: I'll tell you what is fun though, is watching that Redeye plume streak off and then get the message of "Aircraft Destroyed" Dave Satisfying "on target signal I am sure Buzz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Wenman Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, rocketman said: OK, thought it might be a change in scope as I would imagine the size of an invasion would include a lot of air assets. Oh there is plenty of air in game, the problem is most of it is attacking you ! P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Pete Wenman said: Oh there is plenty of air in game, the problem is most of it is attacking you ! P Stay "Nimble" or become a puff a whiff of Victory ...for the other side Buzz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) Would I assume correctly there are no F-15s listed in air support for the US as they're flying air superiority allowing the other air assets to provide ground support? Edited February 19, 2021 by Sequoia spelling 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I had to look it up. Dang, F-15 was air superiority only until 1985! No F-15 doing ground support in the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IICptMillerII Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Yup. The ground attack version of the F-15 was the F-15E, which was not operational until around 1989 (in very limited numbers) and its first combat debut was during Desert Storm in 1991. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 This is back during the wonderful days of "Not a pound for air to ground". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) Okay here is a odd question. At the Grafenwoehr training base in the late '70s, many times we artillery units would have to stop firing in the afternoon to let these aircraft practice dropping ordinance. The thing was they were these small and I think still propeller driven planes, (I never got a close look but I didn't hear jet noises) I always wondered what they were. Some sort of trainer perhaps? The wings came straight out to the side like a prop plane too. P.S. And no they were not A-10s. Edited February 20, 2021 by Sequoia 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Sequoia said: Okay here is a odd question. At the Grafenwoehr training base in the late '70s, many times we artillery units would have to stop firing in the afternoon to let these aircraft practice dropping ordinance. The thing was they were these small and I think still propeller driven planes, (I never got a close look but I didn't hear jet noises) I always wondered what they were. Some sort of trainer perhaps? The wings came straight out to the side like a prop plane too. P.S. And no they were not A-10s. By the late 70's Spads were gone, but you might have seen OV-10 Broncos. They did light attack as well as observation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I think that's what they were. Thank you. IIRC they were firing rockets. It's been a long time. I'm somewhat surprised they were in Germany but I suppose all sorts of observation aircraft were needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) Another good bet would be the OV-1 Mohawk (it was the Army's own): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_OV-1_Mohawk The OV-10 Bronco wasn't used by the Army, but all the other services had them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Rockwell_OV-10_Bronco I'm in the process of getting all the bits to superdetail a 1/72 OV-10A of VAL-4 "Black Ponies".....They're one of my all time favourie aircraft, so cheap, so simple, so rugged, so reliable, so capable, (so we'll buy F-35s instead). Even an A-10 can't swoop in and sweep you off the battlefield if you get hit, but a Bronco can, several of you in fact. Glad they included the SLUF too: Edited February 20, 2021 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Well I just confirmed the USAF 601st Tactical Control Wing, HQ in Samsbach Germany, had OV-10s. in the period. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) And here they are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/601st_Tactical_Control_Wing Damn the internet rocks.....That would have taken weeks when I was a kid! Edited February 20, 2021 by Sgt.Squarehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) Excuse me Sembach Germany and I just found this: P.S. Ninja'd somewhat by Sarge Edited February 20, 2021 by Sequoia P.S. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) Nah.....Yours has Invaders too! Edited February 20, 2021 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 And while they're observation aircraft, could their light strike justify them being in the game? Shock Force 2 has the Kiowa. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sequoia said: And while they're observation aircraft, could their light strike justify them being in the game? In CM:H&E we remodelled the CM:SF2 drones as observation aircraft. I'd guess their primary role (if anything at all) would be as FO/FACs in the CM:CW environment (just a bit too lethal for these guys really), but they could serve as light strike aircraft in more modern titles, using precision munitions.....The OV-10Ds the USMC upgraded were some mean little mothers (IMHO they should have made many, many more): Yup.....That's a turreted 20mm gatling-gun! PS - Probably going to do one of these too, after my Pony. Edited February 20, 2021 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 11 hours ago, Sequoia said: And while they're observation aircraft, could their light strike justify them being in the game? Shock Force 2 has the Kiowa. Absolutely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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