slippy Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Hi all Are there any scenarios, or even better, campaigns, covering Operation Goodwood please? If not does anyone know of any master maps of the area? Cheers slippy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I don't think that anyone has ever put together a "Goodwood" campaign. But, the stand alone scenario "Colossal Crack" is based on 11th Armoured Division's attack on Bourgebus Ridge. It is a brilliant piece of work that throws up interesting challenges whether you play it is the Allies or the Germans. Particularly as the different sides have different victory locations to take or hold. From what I can remember there is only one youtube video of this battle, and that is from the Allied side and was made by our colonial friend Ithikial almost exactly six years ago. If there is one from the German side then I've never seen it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 How about that - I was just going to post the same question. Saw a documentary about Goodwood with interviews with some of the unit commanders and thought that the operation would be interesting to make scenarios for, including large scale tank action. Colossal Crack is a lot of fun, but more could for sure be made. In time maybe... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slippy Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 Ok cheers gents for your replies, i will take a look at Colossal Cracks, and who knows maybe one day even venture into the mission builder regards slippy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1966 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Isn't the Scottish Corridor campaign Goodwood? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danfrodo Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Warts 'n' all said: I don't think that anyone has ever put together a "Goodwood" campaign. But, the stand alone scenario "Colossal Crack" is based on 11th Armoured Division's attack on Bourgebus Ridge. It is a brilliant piece of work that throws up interesting challenges whether you play it is the Allies or the Germans. Particularly as the different sides have different victory locations to take or hold. From what I can remember there is only one youtube video of this battle, and that is from the Allied side and was made by our colonial friend Ithikial almost exactly six years ago. If there is one from the German side then I've never seen it. I am playing the modified version that someone made. Called RDM-colossal crack. Randomized version. Gotta grab two little towns then the giant tank fight begins. great example of the frontal armor and optics of panthers vs my poor shermans. I am brits. What a fight! I am currently trying to use smoke to isolate and take on panthers in small packets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 4 hours ago, John1966 said: Isn't the Scottish Corridor campaign Goodwood? No, it is from the earlier Operation Epsom, which took place further to the west. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 3 hours ago, danfrodo said: I am brits. Paddy raise his eyes. "Feck off! The Field Marshall's family were from County Donegal, and I'm a Meathman, brits me arse." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1966 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warts 'n' all said: No, it is from the earlier Operation Epsom, which took place further to the west. Believe it or not, I have come on here at precisely midnight just to reply to my own comment with, "I'm talking cobblers, it's Epsom." But you beat me to it. I'm sure naming operations after race courses seemed a good idea at the time. I'm sure there must have been Operations Chepstow and Uttoxeter but I can't be arsed to check. Edited August 23, 2020 by John1966 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1966 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I think there was a Goodwood scenario for CMx1 if anyone is feeling retro. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 6 hours ago, John1966 said: I'm sure there must have been Operations Chepstow and Uttoxeter but I can't be arsed to check. I think that they both got cancelled due to the going being too soft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altipueri Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Operation Windsor got under way I think. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 1 hour ago, altipueri said: Operation Windsor got under way I think. I've always assumed that it was named after the city in Ontario, rather than the racecourse. Where's @Ithikial_AUwhen we need him? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ithikial_AU Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 33 minutes ago, Warts 'n' all said: I've always assumed that it was named after the city in Ontario, rather than the racecourse. Where's @Ithikial_AUwhen we need him? I've never been to Canada and nothing ever came up in my research about where they got the name from. Probably some staff officer who named it after his home town? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 26 minutes ago, Ithikial_AU said: I've never been to Canada and nothing ever came up in my research about where they got the name from. Probably some staff officer who named it after his home town? I didn't think you'd been there, but I thought you'd be the person to ask given your "Lions" campaign. I did a bit more digging, and there had been an operation called Ottawa postponed earlier. So probably a staff officer from the state of Ontario sticking pins in a map 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ithikial_AU Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Warts 'n' all said: I didn't think you'd been there, but I thought you'd be the person to ask given your "Lions" campaign. I did a bit more digging, and there had been an operation called Ottawa postponed earlier. So probably a staff officer from the state of Ontario sticking pins in a map My research at the time, plus other historians suggests the organisation of Operation Windsor was done pretty much at the brigade level rather than the at the Division level. Rod Keller, the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division commander at the time was too busy planning Operation Charnwood with the Second Army, and effectively delegated Windsor to his 8th Brigade under Col Blackader. (Not that Blackadder). Windsor as a replacement to the aborted Operation Ottawa still went ahead to both keep up the pressure on the Caen sector of the front following the end of Operation Epsom, but also the capture of the airfield and German strong point would mean Caen itself would be directly threatened from the west for Operation Charnwood and force the 12th SS Panzer into a more precarious position. Anyone who's played my campaign will see the great prepared defensive position the Germans had in this part of the line. 3rd Division HQ certainly didn't hamstrung 8th Brigade and effectively said yes to every request Col Blackader made in the days leading up to the assault. This included receiving an additional battalion of infantry (from 7th Brigade) for the assault on the south side of the airfield and the copious amounts of artillery support from across Second Army. It's limited success was, I think, was more to do with the non-inventive plan from the Canadians and the fact there was no other major action across the entire Caen front, which made it quite easy for the Germans to concentrate and respond. The Germans did have abandon the south side of the airfield at the start of Operation Charnwood and the Canadians didn't use Carpiquet for it's start line for the assault on Caen a few days later. Instead they went in via a route north of the airfield. Short version: British probably didn't have much influence or say on the name of the operation. The original 1944 Operation Windsor organisational paperwork: http://canadianmilitaryhistory.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/op-windsor1.pdf Edited August 30, 2020 by Ithikial_AU 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slippy Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 Great Information Ithikial_AU would be interested in any other paperwork you have on the Normandy Campaign please mate regards slippy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarletto Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I hear he may be doing Op Goodwood, but this op came after it, btw his site is great for Normandy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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