UKR Barrier ATGM acquire-able from BTR-Es but not usable by inf?

[Liberty Bull]

As title. As ukraine, I notice I can "Acquire" barrier ATGM launcher and 1 barrier atgm missile from a BTR-E apc. The game will show a barrier missile in the infantry unit's inventory but doesnt indicate in any way the actual launcher in the inventory nor does it then allow the unit to use the launcher.

Is this a bug or am I missing a concept here? At first I thought since the BTR-E itself appears to use the barrier atgm that it is to allow moving ammo between apcs, but without a way to "deposit" as well as there being both a "missile" and "launcher" acquirable it I dont think this is correct. Then I thought that it was because the infantry unit isn't trained to use the barrier but because the launcher doesn't appear in the unit's inventory at all plus no unit I've tried can use it (even other ATGM teams) I figure this too is not correct.

[Haiduk]

I didn't try to do that, but can say Barrier is vehicle-mounted ATGM, which fixed on BTR-4 turret. It is not portable. Barrier uses the same missiles R-2, which uses portable ATGM Stugna-P/Skif. So, like in real world, in-game Skif ATGM teams should have an opportunity to acquire missiles from BTR-4. But of course, nobody can dismount Barrier.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Haiduk

[Liberty Bull]

Thanks for the insight. Thats kind of what I figured since I saw that the BTR-4Es themselves use the barrier but then since both a launcher and missile are both separately acquirable I started having second thoughts. Looks like it's either just a bug or meant to be used in some ammo sharing role.

[Haiduk]

On 11/14/2019 at 1:49 AM, Liberty Bull said:

As title. As ukraine, I notice I can "Acquire" barrier ATGM launcher and 1 barrier atgm missile from a BTR-E apc. The game will show a barrier missile in the infantry unit's inventory but doesnt indicate in any way the actual launcher in the inventory nor does it then allow the unit to use the launcher.

Hm... I tried to test this, but neither infantry section nor ATGM Skif team couldn't aquire Barrier missiles. I put sections into BTR-4, which indicated two missiles inside, but in inventory list only RPG-22/26, RPG-7 and bullets showed. Are you sure you could take misiles? If yes, how? 

PS. AGS-17 team couldn't aquire ammunition from BTR-4 for own grenade launcher. AT-4C team couldn't take AT-5 missiles from BMP-2, though AT-4C launcher can operate both 1M111M (AT-4C) and 1M1113 (AT-5) missiles

PPS. As I understand a player can aquire only ammunitions, pointed with green color on vehicle icon. So, I don't know how you could take Barrier ATGM. It pointed with white and belong to vehicle armament, which obviously not available for aquire.  

Edited November 16, 2019 by Haiduk

[Liberty Bull]

3 hours ago, Haiduk said:

Hm... I tried to test this, but neither infantry section nor ATGM Skif team couldn't aquire Barrier missiles. I put sections into BTR-4, which indicated two missiles inside, but in inventory list only RPG-22/26, RPG-7 and bullets showed. Are you sure you could take misiles? If yes, how? 

PS. AGS-17 team couldn't aquire ammunition from BTR-4 for own grenade launcher. AT-4C team couldn't take AT-5 missiles from BMP-2, though AT-4C launcher can operate both 1M111M (AT-4C) and 1M1113 (AT-5) missiles

PPS. As I understand a player can aquire only ammunitions, pointed with green color on vehicle icon. So, I don't know how you could take Barrier ATGM. It pointed with white and belong to vehicle armament, which obviously not available for aquire.  

Maybe it's only a glitch with my game. This is in the 3rd mission of the Ukrainian campaign where your platoon clears out a factory complex. Once hitting aqcuire on both the atgm launcher and the missile, it shows the missile in the infantry unit's inventory, but the launcher disappears from the game, doesn't indicate it anywhere on the squad. I do notice that while it shows the ATGM missile icon in the rifle squads inventory, it doesnt show up in the white inventory list.

[Haiduk]

14 hours ago, Liberty Bull said:

Maybe it's only a glitch with my game.

Looks like ammunition, available for aquiring is generating randomly. My vehicles hadn't "green text" Barriers. Launcher in inventory is a strange bug. I will try again

[Haiduk]

Well. I understand, how it works. Alas, separate specialist teams can't aquire own special ammunition from other vehicles. AGS-17 team can't take no one genade from any BTR-4 except "parental" of own section/platoon, which contains this ammunition for aquiring. This is bad thing. For example, AT-4C team lost own BMP-2 with additional missiles, they can't take the same missiles from BMP-2 of their infantry comrades.

 

Edited November 17, 2019 by Haiduk

[Chibot Mk IX]

On 11/17/2019 at 10:35 AM, Haiduk said:

separate specialist teams can't aquire own special ammunition from other vehicles. AGS-17 team can't take no one genade from any BTR-4 except "parental" of own section/platoon, which contains this ammunition for aquiring. 

 

that's weird. it works for me

the AGS-17 team is from 2nd Bn, they have no trouble to take grenade from 1st Bn's BTR-4E

[IMHO]

4 hours ago, Chibot Mk IX said:

that's weird. it works for me

the AGS-17 team is from 2nd Bn, they have no trouble to take grenade from 1st Bn's BTR-4E

To reproduce Haiduk's behavior you need to add a "Specialist team" i.e. not to use a regular TO&E. Organic units do not display the oddity Haiduk's is talking about.

[Chibot Mk IX]

17 hours ago, IMHO said:

To reproduce Haiduk's behavior you need to add a "Specialist team" i.e. not to use a regular TO&E. Organic units do not display the oddity Haiduk's is talking about.

Sorry, I should put a better description there. The highlighted AGS team is a specialist team purchased and assigned to 2nd Battalion HQ's command.