ishfar94 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Quick question. The guide says t90s have aps but is that even true? I've been playing quite a bit with Russians and had multiple dudes take at6 shots at me from the front but never have I seen the aps go off.I know in terms of quality the Russians are supposed to be inferior (lack of funding and all that) but in game they are hilariously bad. Sure they've some good units like the khrys but it becomes a joke when your tanks struggle to spot even muzzle flashes from 700-800 metres away while everyone starts dying around them. Have there been patches/can we expect some patches to fix this in the near future? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikalugin Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Which T-90? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishfar94 Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ikalugin said: Which T-90? T90am Edited November 11, 2019 by ishfar94 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George MC Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Sort of on topic as covers T-90 reactive armor and Shtora active protection system in action, albeit in Syria. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-thought-its-tanks-were-unstoppable-and-then-syria-happened-94481?fbclid=IwAR0gZb4ELSxgyPdUHmoxjBtiSufzw8syryQUUpD-wzIOqCar7AcaemK3e60 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 You can purchase (or the scenario designer can choose) vehicles either with or without APS. Are you sure your T-90s are so equipped? I've found APS to be maddeningly consistent at knocking down (my) incoming rockets and missiles. But be warned, they've only got a few 'shots' of APS then they've vulnerable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerKommissar Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 In a recent quick battle, I had T90AM APS explode 3 TOW-2Bs in short succession. I've also seen top ERA stop a Javelin. They also managed to take out all three of my M1A2SEPs, which were at the back of the map, behind foliage, in low-light conditions. I've also seen a T90A destroy a Bradley, while its TOW was still in the air. Also, hidden in foliage and low-light conditions. IDK how it is from the Russian side. But from the American side, I've learned not to underestimate T90s -- especially the AM variant with APS. They're not equal to the M1A2SEPs, but they can certainly kill them. I did take screenshots, and may post an AAR -- documenting my experiences. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 You are quite right of course. Most people report that whatever tank they have is getting killed left right and centre 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 T-72B3M/Arena-M state trials... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 11/11/2019 at 7:27 AM, ishfar94 said: Quick question. The guide says t90s have aps but is that even true? I've been playing quite a bit with Russians and had multiple dudes take at6 shots at me from the front but never have I seen the aps go off.I know in terms of quality the Russians are supposed to be inferior (lack of funding and all that) but in game they are hilariously bad. Sure they've some good units like the khrys but it becomes a joke when your tanks struggle to spot even muzzle flashes from 700-800 metres away while everyone starts dying around them. Have there been patches/can we expect some patches to fix this in the near future? Russian APS is pure fantasy. Even prototype of T-90AM that was actually built for parades but never even considered to be in service does not have and never even tested this fantasy APS. While ukrainian APS is real and even exported to other countries, like Turkey. Ukrainian APS should have much much lower rarity ingame, and allowed to be mounted not just to Oplots but also to BTR-4s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikalugin Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Oleg said: Russian APS is pure fantasy. Even prototype of T-90AM that was actually built for parades but never even considered to be in service does not have and never even tested this fantasy APS. While ukrainian APS is real and even exported to other countries, like Turkey. Ukrainian APS should have much much lower rarity ingame, and allowed to be mounted not just to Oplots but also to BTR-4s. In service T72B3 with Arena. How many APS equiped BTR-4s does Ukraine operate? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Oleg said: Russian APS is pure fantasy. Even prototype of T-90AM that was actually built for parades but never even considered to be in service does not have and never even tested this fantasy APS. While ukrainian APS is real and even exported to other countries, like Turkey. Ukrainian APS should have much much lower rarity ingame, and allowed to be mounted not just to Oplots but also to BTR-4s. What Oplots? You are living in cloud-cuckoo land pal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikalugin Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: What Oplots? You are living in cloud-cuckoo land pal. I think Ukraine retains around 6 of older variant tanks in service with the 50 tank contract to Thailand (which lead Thailand to switch to buying Chinese). I mean while ~60 tanks in T90M contracts (and another hundred or so in Armatas and various misc things like T80BVMs) are also underwhelming there are big ongoing export sales to India (464 more tanks with 464 more MSs being discussed) which keep UVZ afloat and happy, in addition to what, ~1500 (?) T72B3s of various mods? Edited November 25, 2019 by ikalugin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) Some images of the Arena system, more or less as fitted above: Neat little package compared to the original Arena setup, or the vast 'dumbo-ears' of the Abrams' APS. More on Gur-Khan's site, here: http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2019/11/723-09-06.html#more Edited November 25, 2019 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, ikalugin said: I think Ukraine retains around 6 older variants in service Six! Enough to conquer the galaxy, apparently! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikalugin Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: Six! Enough to conquer the galaxy, apparently! I mean the main core of the tank force seems to be composed of Soviet era T64BV with some upgraded T64BVs (Bulats and the new ones), various odd balls, some of them scavenged off export contracts that they decided to cut. A large scale upgrade program for T64BVs on the lines of the current one would be the way probably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ikalugin said: I mean the main core of the tank force seems to be composed of Soviet era T64BV with some upgraded T64BVs (Bulats and the new ones), various odd balls, some of them scavenged off export contracts that they decided to cut. A large scale upgrade program for T64BVs on the lines of the current one would be the way probably. Bulats are no more. They were pulled out of the front line service and further orders were cancelled. Bulat is too overweight for its engine/transmission and too expensive compared with more limited T-64 upgrades. And Ukrainian MoD is pulling T-72 out of storage since there are not enough T-64s in storage worth investing money into. Edited November 25, 2019 by IMHO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) On 11/25/2019 at 6:15 PM, IMHO said: Bulat is too overweight for its engine/transmission. Thats false news from the mouth of pro-russian propaganda. In reality Bulat has more horse power to weight ratio than soviet t-64bv. Bulat upgrade package includes new more powerful engine. Edited November 27, 2019 by Oleg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Oleg said: Thats false news from the mouth of pro-russian propaganda Facepalm. That's from the interview of the Deputy Head of Ground Forces of the Ukrainian Army. The interview is to the Ukrainian press certainly. PS A common problem of discussions with most of the Ukrainian fanboys: they prefer to limit information intake to upbeat reporting of their "patriotic" mass media and shun their own Ukrainian industrial press. Edited November 27, 2019 by IMHO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikalugin Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, IMHO said: Facepalm. That's from the interview of the Deputy Head of Ground Forces of the Ukrainian Army. The interview is to the Ukrainian press certainly. PS A common problem of discussions with most of the Ukrainian fanboys: they prefer to limit information intake to upbeat reporting of their "patriotic" mass media and shun their own Ukrainian industrial press. A direct link to the original source you are citing would be a good move forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, ikalugin said: A direct link to the original source you are citing would be a good move forward. Quote "танки Т-64БМ «Булат» в силу большого веса и слабого двигателя оказались неэффективными, были переведены в резерв, и заменены линейными Т-64" "Bulat upgrade turned out to be ineffective due to excessive weight and weak engine. They were transferred to reserves and were replaced by baseline T-64s in front line service" http://opk.com.ua/острейшие-проблемы-всу-сегодня-не-свя/ I posted it twice in two other topics that were active today. PS Actually Bulat problems made quite a headlines in Ukrainian press in its time. Except for Poroshenko-aligned "patriotic" press that preferred to look away from slightest issues of his reign. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) Returning to things Russian, although not APS.....Does anyone know what the green & black camoed, 8-wheeled vehicle in the background of this image is: The turret looks like the new 57mm AA gun, but I don't recognize the chassis? Edited November 28, 2019 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: Returning to things Russian, although not APS.....Does anyone know what the green & black camoed, 8-wheeled vehicle in the background of this image is: The turret looks like the new 57mm AA gun, but I don't recognize the chassis? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATOM_(IFV) Back to APS: Arena-M field trials on T-72B3. Edited November 28, 2019 by akd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) Cheers.....Your APS picture isn't showing for me. PS - Apparently an APS is an option for the ATOM.....Could you hazard a guess as to which one? Edited November 28, 2019 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 No idea, but uploaded directly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) Ah, OK.....That's the image that prompted this thread. It looks to be a somewhat simplified version of the Arena variant seen on the vehicle in Gur-Khan's images (no rearward dispensers, or possibly just one dispenser on the left, with an odd looking cover). Edited November 28, 2019 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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