Fradulent Credit Card Transactions

[Warts 'n' all]

As I said very early on in this thread. My card got hacked on 11th January. But NOT from this site. The idea that it only happened to BFC is nonsense.

[Howler]

2 hours ago, coachjohn said:

It is interesting that they all all happened after the new site was up and running - could the fault be there?

Yes, it could. It's not the 100s of millions of CC#s stolen from Equifax, Marriott, Target, etc. It's a few BFC clients. That must be it. It's BFC's fault... new website is to blame.

When I played a cyber-criminal on TV - it made sense to steal a few hundred CCs. There's more to be made getting a few hundred than there is with a few hundred million...

[coachjohn]

First of all I never said this was the only site ever hacked - I said it was obviously one of them.

My idea as to the new site being the problem was just as an idea. New code - new problems.

You guys take everything as personal - it's not. 

My card was once hacked years ago (then as now I only used it for one site during an extended time period.) When I searched that site - it like this had multiple people hacked. IT HAPPENS, but don't say it's coincidence. That's like saying a whole bunch of people wearing grey just happened to show up at gettysburg.

There use to be a site that reported most hacked sites with numbers of reports. My card support told me years ago that except for the big ones (usually done by big hacking networks)  - most like this are smaller businesses that are hacked by individuals or smaller groups.

I hope this gets worked out as - it is a great game with great loyal community following it, but til I'm sure - no more soup for me!

(Please don't say you can never be sure - I know that, but you also know what I mean.)

[sburke]

8 hours ago, Jaskier said:

Website could be compromised by malicious code injection with some added timer (so it dissapear after -lets say -  6 months  after drawing out some data - just example but from this thread i see people with cc compromised making purchase in last few months ). 

 Proper way to handle this is to a) contact, if possible, all people which make purchase in last few months which didn't report here or  b) gain info if they had they cc compromised (maybe some of then didn't even notice as they have multiple cc cards?) and c) make decisions basing on results . This would give solid reasons to suspend yours backend systems or to let it go.

If 500 peoples make purchase in last few months and 30 of them had their cc compromised that might be coincidence. But what if 50% customers, or so,  had their cc compromised? Still a coincidence?

You can make comparisions of any sort to reductio ad absurdum but the facts are:

• multiple (at least 30) people had their cc compromised. 
• all of those people have made purchase in battlefront store in last few months (some of them as late as December, none of them in January or later or i miss that?)
• some of those people use their cc cards ONLY for battlefront games purchase 

regards

As I noted above I have made multiple purchases in that time and yet I have not had an issue..... and the number if you had stopped to read Steve's posts is significantly above the numbers you noted.  Instead of 50% it seems it is likely closer to <1%.  So with a better amount of supporting data would you now assume it is more likely coincidental?

Edited February 4, 2019 by sburke

[Jaskier]

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Steve's posts is significantly above the numbers you noted.  Instead of 50% it seems it is likely closer to <1%

if this is the case (i don't remember any number in this thread but i could potentiall skip it as there are many posts already)  it could be coincidential.

Still, 

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• some of those people use their cc cards ONLY for battlefront games purchase 

so let me have my doubts.

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As I noted above I have made multiple purchases in that time and yet I have not had an issue.

And you payed through filling forms with cc data or through paypal? 

I think common ground we all could agree upon is to never fill internet form with CC number and  - if  there is no other type of payment - use payment through paypal (this way we aren't manually filling any forms that could be potentially hacked with malicious code of some sort).

 

 

[Canada Guy]

My CC was also compromised 3-5 days after I bought CMSF2 but in this day and age, it is to be expected at some time in your financial life. I think it probably is connected but I do not blame Battlefront, I blame the scumbags who think it is a thrill to steal. As there are so may possible points of contact on the internet, I use a VPN so I do not think it is the Battlefront to my computer connection but rather after the purchase. I specifically have a separate CC with only a $500 limit so they will not get rich off of me. I do my Netflix, Britbox, CraveTV and all my Amazon on it so it does not have much room to steal from me. What I find annoying is that my bank will never tell me where or which business my card was compromised at, though many times it is not the business' fault.

The funny thing is that Visa saw something odd and put a hold on my card when they noticed I was subscribing to Match.com. My wife got a laugh out of that. Then someone tried to buy petrol in Chicago and I am 2100 kms away. Visa seems to know me more than I know myself. 

[General Jack Ripper]

22 hours ago, Battlefront.com said:

Argh!

I hear ya.

[John Doe]

On 1/14/2019 at 3:16 PM, Combatintman said:

Interesting - same thing happened to me and my credit card company speculated that my details had been lifted as a result of an online transaction. I bought SF2 just before Xmas with the card that somebody tried to use fraudulently.

I've contacted Steve @Battlefront.com direct about this.

 

On 1/14/2019 at 1:44 PM, CanuckGamer said:

In the last three weeks both me and a friend purchased Battlefront products paying for them with credit cards.  Specifically, CMBN Big Bundle, and for me the Vehicle and Battle Pack.  In early January, both our credit cards were hit with fradulent transactions.  Luckily we both check our balances regularly so we reported them to our credit card providers.  It is too much of a coincidence that we both were hit,  so I am letting you know through the forum (not sure where I should have reported this) so that you can check the security of your ordering system because it may be compromised.  Thanks.

 

On 1/14/2019 at 5:29 PM, Schrullenhaft said:

I had a fraudulent charge appear this last week too. I had to get a new debit card with the bank just this morning. I don't know what transaction could have been compromised since it is possible for the culprits to withhold using their captured cards for a short while before using/distributing them. Hopefully Battlefront can double-check their website and card processor for any possible security issues.

 

On 1/14/2019 at 5:39 PM, Howler said:

You can add me to the list. Just got off the phone with my CC provider.

 

On 1/14/2019 at 6:43 PM, Dynaman216 said:

On the 11th I apparently rented a car in Europe.  I've never been to Europe and have no intention of going there any time soon.  Must have been a pretty darn good car since the fee was $1300 too!

Impossible to say how they got my CC but I called, disputed it, and had my CC number changed. 

 

On 1/14/2019 at 7:09 PM, Tuthorn said:

Hello all, I've been lurking for a little bit and saw this thread (made an account as well) and immediately checked my history on the card I used to purchase the modules for CM:SF2 and sure enough I had 2 fraudulent charges, I've only used this card to purchase stuff for gaming IE steam and now battlefront products and along with you guys it seems to be more than just a coincidence. Luckily the charges got taken care of so all is fine.

 

 

On 1/14/2019 at 10:50 PM, theforger said:

My cc was compromised last week, purchased SF2 mid December.

 

On 1/14/2019 at 11:00 PM, Michael Emrys said:

I noticed while checking my account statement recently that it had been dinged for nearly $60 recently for a purchase I didn't make.

Michael

 

On 1/15/2019 at 2:30 AM, PhilM said:

I bought the CMSF2 Big Bundle upgrade on 4 December: my card was used fraudulently for a £1,300 attempted purchase in Germany in early January ...

Fortunately the card provider declined the transaction, so the only hassle was a new card and number needed.

Because of the time gap I didn't initially associate the card being compromised with the BF purchase, but it seems far too many examples to be just coincidence

 

On 1/15/2019 at 3:20 AM, liamb said:

Yeah my credit card was cancelled due to fraudulent activity over the weekend (and I'm in Australia). I bought SF2 when it launched.

Interestingly the guy from the bank had a chuckle because the 'small test charge' of $1 was put through as "test only". He said they aren't normally dumb enough to name it that.

 

On 1/15/2019 at 4:35 AM, Andrew Kulin said:

My card is also compromised.  By downhill skiers or snowboardersso it appears. About $1700.

Thanks  Canuck Gamer for posting this as it made me check my credit card statement online this morning.

 

On 1/15/2019 at 6:28 AM, sburke said:

I was hit through PayPal. Pretty much your only real protection is to monitor your accounts closely and have it send alerts for transactions above a self defined threshold. 

 

On 1/15/2019 at 7:07 AM, slysniper said:

I also had my credit card compromised, it is the card I purchased CMF2 on and the bad activity just happened in January.

I think you are correct in that BF's information on our accounts could be compromised.

 

On 1/16/2019 at 11:36 PM, Warts 'n' all said:

Thanks to CanuckGamer for starting this thread, it would have been a couple more days before I checked my account. As it is my bank have already refunded the money I had stolen. Hopefully the rest of you blokes get your money back too ASAP.

 

On 1/17/2019 at 2:37 AM, Andy_101 said:

How bizarre !  

 

For the first time ever I had someone try and take money from my CC last week for an online betting website.  After speaking with the fraud department at my bank I have now had a new card issued.  I only ever use that card for food and petrol.  However, the one time I used it online was to buy SF2!  I'm content that it is a coincidence but a spooky one at that.

 

 

On 1/17/2019 at 5:54 AM, Fizou said:

I was also hit two weeks ago. Thanks CG for starting the thread, and thanks Steve for the info. 

 

On 1/17/2019 at 6:23 AM, General Jack Ripper said:

I just wanted to chime in and report I too had a fraudulent charge, but only for a 28 dollar Uber bill.

My bank's fraud service caught it and froze my account.

Just a little reminder you folks might want to go get a copy of your account statements and have a look, just in case.

 

On 1/17/2019 at 1:31 PM, Michael Emrys said:

My fraudulent bill was also from Uber, but to the tune of $59.62.

I've been getting my statements online for a few years now and am in the habit of checking them pretty regularly. That's how I was able to catch this one within a couple of days of it happening and reporting it soon after.

Michael

 

On 1/20/2019 at 9:30 AM, 37mm said:

Interestingly, I had a phone call today.

Apparently, something tried to make several small online bets with my debit card today (a trial run?).

None of the transanctions went through (as I expected the scammers couldn't get past the online purchase authentication process) & a new card has been issued. However, this is the first time I've ever had such a phone call & it not turn out to be just my bank being cautious.

An interesting "coincidence" to be sure... but my question from earlier in this thread remains.

Your bank card details, on their own, are pretty useless until you can bypass the back up authentication system.

How could that have been done?

 

On 1/20/2019 at 10:29 AM, coachjohn said:

My last purchase with Amex was to battlefront. My card was just compromised. Luckily I caught it in a $1.50 test. Waiting for new one. I love the game but will not buy anymore til they change their payment method. Can’t just blame it on paypal. If that’s the case - drop paypal there are others with more encryption nowadays that are better. Years ago I had a problem with paypal - never use it - only for battlefront as it is only option. (Most sites give you multiple options.) Was gonna buy market garden , and all the other modules for CMBN but not now.

 

On 1/20/2019 at 12:10 PM, schwerpunktgrenadier said:

I too was hit with a fraudulent transaction a few weeks after buying CMSF2. It was only $0.75, so obviously testing the card. Caught by the bank within minutes and card was cancelled. Again, probably a coincidence. The only thing of note is that I'm in the UK and the transaction was somewhere in the US.

 

On 1/20/2019 at 7:15 PM, homewrecker said:

Had something similar last week $160 buck of postmates food delivery in 4 different cities.  3 in California and 1 in Ohio.  Did get my money back but I have wondered like Steve with his ATM fraud, how do their systems allow different accounts to process payments with a card number tied to a different account in very different geographic areas.  Then again no matter what changes are made, criminals will be criminals and adapt to beat it until the next obsticle comes along.  Rinse and repeat.

 

On 1/20/2019 at 7:43 PM, johnnymo said:

FYI, just to add to the list; my CC that was used to buy CMSF2 was compromised, I have a new card now. Just adding to the sample size....

 

On 1/21/2019 at 2:38 AM, General Liederkranz said:

For what it’s worth, I also caught a fraudulent charge (Amazon) a few weeks ago on the card I used to buy SF2. 

 

On 1/21/2019 at 9:19 AM, Kuderian said:

I bought CM:SF 2 on it's release date in December with a visa debit card. At the beginning of January I got hit with three fraudulent purchases. The card is now cancelled and those transactions have been now refunded.

First time this has happened to me, as far as I can remember.

 

On 1/21/2019 at 9:18 AM, Edon said:

One more to the list. My cc, which I rarely  use, was compromised after it was used to buy SF2. Fortunately my bank caught it early and new card is on the way. Still sucks though. 

 

On 1/21/2019 at 9:19 AM, JulianJ said:

This morning I had a chance to check, and it was not the first transaction, I'd activated it at the end of november, made 3 transactions with my website hosting provider online, then BF on 23rd Dec. The attempted frauds were on 8th Jan. So of course it could be my hosting provider, but it is still a "bit of a rum do". Strange.

Actually - my hosting provider does store the card numbers for repeat billing via a merchant gateway.  But it has my debit card and another credit card and neither have had fraud attempts, which does suggest that they somehow got hold of it via the BF transaction. I can't see any other possibility, although I do concede I am no cyber crime expert.

 

 

On 1/21/2019 at 2:29 PM, luigim said:

I've Just been scammed and I bought CMSF2 in december. I used this card only for Amazon and Battlefront. 

 

On 1/23/2019 at 7:05 AM, AjarmanG said:

Just checked my acc and i have also had some purchases I didn't make...

 

On 1/25/2019 at 12:35 AM, Zveroboy1 said:

My turn to get a call from the bank.

I checked my online statement 10 days ago when this thread appeared and nothing was wrong. But yesterday I got warned that a test transaction was attempted but hopefully blocked by the bank. So no harm done.

However I exclusively use this credit card for online purchases and I have only bought something from Amazon, Steam ad Battlefront in the past year.

 

On 1/28/2019 at 10:24 AM, Frenchy56 said:

I recently got hit with a fraudulent credit card transaction myself. The only ones before that one was purchases from Steam, CMRT and the big bundle for CMFI.

It might be because of an even earlier one, but I still do wonder if it comes from here. Not that it really matters anymore, I'm making sure this thing won't be happening again. Or will have the least chances of happening again.

 

On 2/3/2019 at 10:33 AM, Jaskier said:

Hi, this is my first post here, im member of FGM thats why i'm not regular here, and just created account to post in this thread.Also,  I'm not a native speaker (Eastern Europe),  sorry for any linguistic mistakes.

I bought FB and BN Big Bundle around Aug-Sept 

 

and i had CC breach on January 11th - fortunately they didn't get pass text message authentication as I would lose around 900 dollars, This is first ever CC breach in my entire life, and i'm very cautios when paying with credit card online - i let my guard down this time it seems

I've been wondering for many weeks how i get my CC compromised and i took wild guess it was atm scam (minicameras), but I've discover this thread today when lurking around and everything make sense now.

Funny think i was planning buying SF2 but i will not till this case is explained. I know there isn't the case of any intentional wrongdoing on Battlefront side ,which provides with those wonderful games, BUT -with around 30 people with similar case- (all purchasing CM games from battlefront store, i guess in 2018), it would be desirable to at least hire off-site network security specialist to do some security audit and/or change payment method to avoid similar situation in the future instead of blurring discusion into chit-chat about online security. That would make current and potential customers calmer 

regards

 

Jaskier

 

6 hours ago, Canada Guy said:

My CC was also compromised 3-5 days after I bought CMSF2 but in this day and age, it is to be expected at some time in your financial life. I think it probably is connected but I do not blame Battlefront, I blame the scumbags who think it is a thrill to steal. As there are so may possible points of contact on the internet, I use a VPN so I do not think it is the Battlefront to my computer connection but rather after the purchase. I specifically have a separate CC with only a $500 limit so they will not get rich off of me. I do my Netflix, Britbox, CraveTV and all my Amazon on it so it does not have much room to steal from me. What I find annoying is that my bank will never tell me where or which business my card was compromised at, though many times it is not the business' fault.

The funny thing is that Visa saw something odd and put a hold on my card when they noticed I was subscribing to Match.com. My wife got a laugh out of that. Then someone tried to buy petrol in Chicago and I am 2100 kms away. Visa seems to know me more than I know myself. 

Went through the thread, 33 results for those affected. (might have double counted someone so take with a grain of salt.) I don't know much about online payment methods and security but @Battlefront.com 's responds doesn't sit well with me. I think Ill hold off on buying the newest game for now.

[luigim]

I'm buying the next games with PayPal. Don't hold off from buying.. use payapal

[Warts 'n' all]

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Went through the thread, 33 results for those affected. (might have double counted someone so take with a grain of salt.) I don't know much about online payment methods and security but @Battlefront.com 's responds doesn't sit well with me. I think Ill hold off on buying the newest game for now.

Why have you included me in your list of 33? I have said on more than one occasion in this thread that my money was stolen from another companies website. And I have no problem with Steve's explanation of what he thinks happened in early January. 

[Combatintman]

Ok so its great to be cautious and this thread is a good reminder, but for everyone who says 'not buying until I'm sure' it is worth remembering a couple of things:

• Steve could have locked this thread but hasn't because he is happy for this to be discussed for the greater benefit of everyone out there and it allows him to explain the measures he has taken to protect customer interest.
• Correct me if I'm wrong but no one who has posted here with a breach appears to have lost any money based on what they have written.

This is not isolated to Battlefront as many people here keep saying:

https://www.itgovernance.co.uk/blog/list-of-data-breaches-and-cyber-attacks-in-january-2019-1769185063-records-leaked

Ultimately whether you buy or not remains your choice but, if I didn't own all of the games already, I'd happily buy from Battlefront right now.

[A Canadian Cat]

Quotes from all of Steve's past comments that are specific to what he and his team and services have done. Just in case anyone missed these or is hard of reading.

And I'll add an aside that I contacted him personally with some things to check which he had an expert do - finding nothing of concern. So not only has he done everything listed below he has taken action based on specific concerns brought up by costumers.

On 1/15/2019 at 11:02 AM, Battlefront.com said:

Thanks for starting up the thread and adding too it as this allows me the opportunity to explain how things work.

Battlefront has nothing to do with the credit card transactions in any direct way.  When you go to pay an encrypted pipe opens up between your browser and our credit card processing service (which is PayPal).  We never, ever receive any of your credit card data, not even as a data stream.  Instead, what we receive is various bits of transaction data from PayPal, such as unique transaction number, approval/rejection result, etc.  From this our hosted store backend systems determine what to do with your order.  If PayPal says the transaction cleared then your order is processed, otherwise it is not.

 

On 1/15/2019 at 11:37 AM, Battlefront.com said:

All that said, I'll still pass on the info we receive from you to PayPal. 

 

On 1/15/2019 at 7:20 PM, Battlefront.com said:

Not really faulty, but I do agree I did leave out one possibility.  It is true that if someone had control of our backend, either through us or by compromising our host, they could alter the Javascripts to transmit the credit card data back to someone (not us) instead of having it discarded as it should be.  At least in theory, as I have no idea how practical that is for our given set of circumstances.

As I said, we're taking this seriously even though we don't think we're involved at all. 

 

On 1/16/2019 at 10:35 AM, Battlefront.com said:

I just got back confirmation from our tech guys at our ecommerce store.  He checked all the possible scripts that could theoretically be hacked into transmitting customer data elsewhere.  No signs of any changes,

 

On 1/17/2019 at 8:59 AM, Battlefront.com said:

I don't like coincidences, no matter how plausible the alternative explanations are, so i'm still keeping an open mind about what's what with our side of things.  But so far I've had them scour our scripts twice and there's nothing negative to report.

 

On 1/20/2019 at 6:06 PM, Battlefront.com said:

Probably.  However, I'm keeping this thread open just in case.  While I'm confident that everything that's possible for us to check has checked out fine, I still don't like coincidences any more than anybody else who has to deal with security issues.Steve

 

On 1/21/2019 at 5:44 PM, Battlefront.com said:

Thanks for chiming in.

My compromised card was on file with Amazon and it wasn't used to purchase anything on Battlefront.  It's possible that Amazon got hacked because they must be one of the biggest targets out there.  I would rather find out that our host was in some way compromised rather than find out Amazon was.

BTW, I asked for another sweep at our eCommerce site and they dutifully responded.  They've not found any signs of intrusion into our store or their site.  Of course that's not 100% guaranteed to mean there wasn't a problem, only that they didn't find anything even though they know (roughly) what to look for.

 

On 1/21/2019 at 10:38 PM, Battlefront.com said:

Side note about PayPal's backend credit card processing system.  I can log into our PayPal merchant account and see only limited information pertaining to each and every transaction that comes through.  Credit card numbers, expiration dates, and CSV codes are not visible to me in any way, no matter what.  Even if someone hacked into our PayPal merchant account there's no way, at all, that they could get credit card information from any of you.

 

On 1/22/2019 at 8:04 AM, Battlefront.com said:

Oh, I totally agree.  The point of me mentioning it is to help educate people about all the vulnerabilities they might think exist which, in fact, do not.  Someone hacks into our ecommerce host... no data to steal.  Someone hacks into our server... no data to steal.  Someone hacks into our merchant account... no data to steal.  It's one thing to spend the time, effort, and expense to combat a completely hypothetical data breach by making meaningful changes, it's another to blindly make major changes to things which were unlikely to be involved in a breach even if there was in fact a breach.

 

On 2/3/2019 at 6:53 PM, Battlefront.com said:

This has already been covered.  There is no evidence that there was any sort of breach of data from the ordering process.  There's many different possible explanations for why your card was compromised.  We've looked into the variables in our control and there's no evidence of any problems. 

It would be extremely stupid for us to switch all our backend services.  Firstly, because there's no evidence any of those services are at fault. Secondly, even if there was a breach it wouldn't be all of those services (i.e. we'd be changing services that definitely don't have problems).  And thirdly, because everything is vulnerable we might be switching to something even less secure than what we have now.  Or at a minimum, might be compromised at some point.

 

7 hours ago, Jjduston said:

I don't know much about online payment methods and security but @Battlefront.com 's responds doesn't sit well with me. I think Ill hold off on buying the newest game for now.

So, since you are an expert what else should Steve be doing that he has not already done? Oh wait you admitted you were not an expert. Soooooo, what's the problem then?

[General Jack Ripper]

7 hours ago, Jjduston said:

Went through the thread, 33 results for those affected. (might have double counted someone so take with a grain of salt.) I don't know much about online payment methods and security but () 's responds doesn't sit well with me. I think Ill hold off on buying the newest game for now.

Well you can count me out of your ignorance, and strike my name off your silly list too.

[Yskonyn]

Count me to the club of safe people.

Checked my financial transactions and I am glad to say no malicious transactions have been made. I also bought CMSF2 upgrade upon release.

[kendar]

I'm posting here just for information, without accusing or implying anything.

I have just noticed a fraudulent action with my credit card.

After contact with my bank, they reported to me about twenty attempts from the Netherlands. All less than 10 euros. Impossible to know where the fault comes from.

it's like that nowadays, nothing is safe on the internet.

Previously I had a paypal account, and this had happened to me with ridiculously small payments from Eastern countries.

What is significant about the recurrence of these frauds is that the bank does not ask any questions, blocks the card and provides a new one for free and refunds the sums debited.
As if it were normal ...

[A Canadian Cat]

3 minutes ago, kendar said:

As if it were normal ...

I know right. It does seem strange. Then on the flip side the other day I bought a few songs on Google's store and got a call with in minute asking if that was me making those purchases. Which it was so all good.

[z1812]

Some busy body has been busy.................http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4589449&amp;mpage=1&amp;key=&amp;#4589742

[A Canadian Cat]

Someone did a similar thing on Grogheads. And we wonder why companies try to shut down controversy and avoid being up front with what they do. Good lord.

[z1812]

18 minutes ago, IanL said:

Someone did a similar thing on Grogheads. And we wonder why companies try to shut down controversy and avoid being up front with what they do. Good lord.

True...........however I believe when a company is as upfront as Battlefront has been about this issue they do more to instill confidence rather than diminish it. Other companies might well have locked the thread pending their investigation.

[WhiteWolf65]

I placed an order with Battlefront a couple of days ago. Just checked my bank and all is okay. Thanks for the heads-up.

[Ivanov]

I bought CMSF2 bundle a week ago using PayPal. No problem so far.

[Michael Emrys]

2 hours ago, kendar said:

What is significant about the recurrence of these frauds is that the bank does not ask any questions, blocks the card and provides a new one for free and refunds the sums debited.
 

Same here. But think about it: The bank loses whatever amount of money has been defrauded. Banks do not like to lose money any more than the rest of us. So to recoup their losses, they increase their service fees, and guess whose pockets that comes out of.

Michael

[coachjohn]

I have many matrix games - the first post was not malicious - just informative. (No it wasn’t me - conspiracy theorists) but there is a group that for some reason slam CM games whenever they can.  (Like the last one by Rico - no need for that)

Since I have delved in here a number of times - I should say what I think is positive in this whole mess - I do appreciate and commend Steve for allowing this post to go on. 

As I’ve said repeatedly - my only concern was in the “coincidence” theory which I found preposterous. 

That being said there is nothing wrong for people like me to use the info to decide not to buy til they are comfortable with the method again. I see people who say this bashed for their opinions. It’s their money - their choice.

PS as for the comment above on the bank - we hit this before - as much as the bank loses money it is a pittance to what they make and eventually pushed back on the consumer with higher charges or lower interest.

[coachjohn]

Sorry meant higher interest.

[John Doe]

4 hours ago, IanL said:

Quotes from all of Steve's past comments that are specific to what he and his team and services have done. Just in case anyone missed these or is hard of reading

[snip] 

Soooooo, what's the problem then?

I was going to make a list of things that Steve said as well, but you beat me too it.

I didn't mean to be slanderous or panicking mongering- beaning counting is what I do so it is what I thought would be helpful. Furthermore, to clarify I meant that his response of calling it a consequence doesn't sit with with me not his counter measures to make sure it wasn't something on his end (which is much appreciated BTW).  Something isn't right I feel, so I would like wait until the 'dust settles' with purchasing SF2 whether it is a just statistical bias or a problem with PayPal.

With that said I am going to quite posting late night, because I do ambit though well meaning my post came off as anything but.

Sincerest apologizes @Battlefront.com

Edited February 5, 2019 by Jjduston