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I guess the game gets it right, because it usually does, but I'm still curious:

A CMFB German Panzergrenadier Battalion apparently has 12 Stummels, 6 in the Heavy Company, and 3x2 Stummels in the heavy platoons of each of the three infantry companies.

Or could it be that those 3x2 Stummels are actually just the 6 Battalion Stummels that have been attached to the individual companies? So we're counting the same vehicles twice?

 

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On 10/28/2018 at 1:08 PM, Bulletpoint said:

I guess the game gets it right, because it usually does, but I'm still curious:

A CMFB German Panzergrenadier Battalion apparently has 12 Stummels, 6 in the Heavy Company, and 3x2 Stummels in the heavy platoons of each of the three infantry companies.

Or could it be that those 3x2 Stummels are actually just the 6 Battalion Stummels that have been attached to the individual companies? So we're counting the same vehicles twice?

 

Difficult question. There are many not very PC answers. 😎

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6 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said:

Hmmm, I thought it was a pretty straight forward question actually ? Not sure how political correctness plays into this?

:O

Don't you know that some people identify as light-skinned Allied vehicles or Allied infantry? Halftrack-based stummels are particularly offensive to them. These stummels are bringing in the HEAT to people who identify as armoured vehicles too!

In all seriousness, I am playing through the Peiper campaign right now. I am quite surprised by how common these SPGs are. I guess they're quite nifty when you're going up against entrenched infantry.

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27 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said:

Hmmm, I thought it was a pretty straight forward question actually ? Not sure how political correctness plays into this?

Hehehechrrrrr, your treaser question triggered me. But probably, I interpreting too much German into the question.

Let‘s stop the discussion or we‘ll end up with „tiny hands“ and „horsefaces“. 🤔

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20 minutes ago, StieliAlpha said:

But probably, I interpreting too much German into the question.

Ok, I got an email with the explanation of this piece of German humour.. I begin to understand why the German army liked to call their vehicles stuff like Sd.Kfz. 251/9, since that is very difficult to turn into a joke!

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42 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said:

Ok, I got an email with the explanation of this piece of German humour.. I begin to understand why the German army liked to call their vehicles stuff like Sd.Kfz. 251/9, since that is very difficult to turn into a joke!

Hm, let me think about that one. I’ll find something. 😃

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On 10/28/2018 at 6:08 AM, Bulletpoint said:

A CMFB German Panzergrenadier Battalion apparently has 12 Stummels, 6 in the Heavy Company, and 3x2 Stummels in the heavy platoons of each of the three infantry companies.

 

Twelve is correct in an Armored Panzergrenadier Battalion.

Remember, the other three Panzergrenadier Battalions in a Panzer Division are motorized, and they don't have Stummels.

I think the Armored Recon Battalion in a Panzer Division had thirteen Stummels, but CMRT gives them six. I don't have CMFB, so I can't comment on how the TOE  shows there. If you are seeing too many Stummels maybe play with the foot slogging PzGrenadiers more.

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5 hours ago, Mudhugger said:
On 10/28/2018 at 1:08 PM, Bulletpoint said:

A CMFB German Panzergrenadier Battalion apparently has 12 Stummels, 6 in the Heavy Company, and 3x2 Stummels in the heavy platoons of each of the three infantry companies.

 

Twelve is correct in an Armored Panzergrenadier Battalion.

Remember, the other three Panzergrenadier Battalions in a Panzer Division are motorized, and they don't have Stummels.

I think the Armored Recon Battalion in a Panzer Division had thirteen Stummels, but CMRT gives them six. I don't have CMFB, so I can't comment on how the TOE  shows there. If you are seeing too many Stummels maybe play with the foot slogging PzGrenadiers more.

Thanks a lot for clearing this up. I didn't have any problems seeing too many of those things, it was just a matter of curiosity.

I generally play with foot sloggers and not with a lot of armour :)

 

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On 2/15/2019 at 6:26 AM, Mudhugger said:

Twelve is correct in an Armored Panzergrenadier Battalion.

Remember, the other three Panzergrenadier Battalions in a Panzer Division are motorized, and they don't have Stummels.

I think the Armored Recon Battalion in a Panzer Division had thirteen Stummels, but CMRT gives them six. I don't have CMFB, so I can't comment on how the TOE  shows there. If you are seeing too many Stummels maybe play with the foot slogging PzGrenadiers more.

I think this is correct. But don't overestimate the number of PG battalions that were actually armored ("gepanzert"). Most were just motorized, as far as I know.

Do these armored PG btns have a rarity rating? 

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From my understanding, Panzergrenadiere are not called "Panzer" (armored/tank) because they themselves were armored (which wasn't the case very often), but rather because they were the infantry that formed part of the armored divisions (Panzer-Divisionen), who themselves were a mix of tank regiments (Panzer-Regimenter) and infantry regiments (Panzer-Grenadier-Regimenter). Accordingly, in the early stages of the war, the infantry in armored divisions were just called "Schützen Regimenter" (rifleman/fusilier regiments) and had the same corps colour as the tankers (i.e. pink). Later on they were re-named into "Panzergrenadiere" and received their own special corps colour (green).   

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On ‎11‎/‎1‎/‎2018 at 4:46 PM, DerKommissar said:

In all seriousness, I am playing through the Peiper campaign right now. I am quite surprised by how common these SPGs are. I guess they're quite nifty when you're going up against entrenched infantry.

The Germans had an awful lot of surplus short 75mm guns after they up-gunned the StuG & Pz.IV and the conversion isn't exactly rocket science.  ;)

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