Mord Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 Well, my trial version of Elements was running out so I pulled the trigger and got the full version on Amazon at 40% off last night. So, looks like I am back in the modding game. Here's what I need help with. I need a list of German Divisions that were in the Western European Theater from October 44 to May 45. Not having to reaserch this will cut at least a month off the time it'll take to get this mod made. So, if you guys want a portrait mod I could use the research help. (Following cut and pasted from my RT mod thread) If you choose to do it, this is how I'd like to see the divisions listed; For Heer: (number) Inf Div (number)Pz Div (number) Pz Gren Div For Luftwaffe: (number) Luft Div (number) Fals Div For Waffen SS: (number) SS Div (number) SS Pz Div (number) SS Pz Gren Div For Volksgrenadier (Number) Volks Gren Div Keep all the branches together and div types together like above (Heer Infantry first, Heer Panzers second etc. with the division in numerical order), and I can easily scan through them without jamming my brain up. Seeing that is how I name the bmps when I mod them it's like muscle memory and makes it easier on me. You guys could keep adding to the list, and when the next guy has new stuff just cut and paste the list into your post with the updated divisions. An example of what I am talking about would look like this; 85th Inf Div 89th Inf Div 148th Inf Div 2nd Pz Div 9th Pz Div 11th Pz Div Etc. When Fizou helped me (with the RT mod) he got a lot of his info from the Panzer Campaign series, if any of you own them they are a good place to start. Mord. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) Yeehawwww! (not very helpful, but heartfelt). Perhaps this is useful as a start, Mord. German OOB for September 1944, too soon for you, I know. https://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=7043 Please join in, people, this man has a job to do! Edited December 2, 2017 by Aragorn2002 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerner Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 Mord, glad you're back into the modding groove! Jason Pipes' site that Aragon is a great starting point. Also, how about using the more common "Fj" or "FJ" as the abbreviation for Fallschirmjager? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) I appreciate the link but it doesn't really help. Not trying to sound like a jerk ( I am grateful), but having to wade through all the text to find one division here and one there is the time consuming chore I am trying to alleviate. The way they list everything is all jumbled looking and confusing with lots of info I don't need. It might not sound like that big a deal but it brings on fatigue fairly quick when I have read and read and read (+ the abbreviations and German words, etc.) just to find the couple things I am looking for. But it's on the right track, just needs refinement. Thanks Aragorn! If they at least had a table with a list of links like this, I could click each one and scan the info to find where they served (I haven't been able to locate one yet): https://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-German-6th-Infantry-Division It's still a ton of time but better than the alternative. I did find three Stackpole books on German OOBs that I am probably gonna put on my Christmas list. Again though, many, many hours of info logging. But on the positive side once this stuff is documented it is done for good, barring additions for divisions that were missed. Yeah, no problem on the FJ abbreviation, I don't know why I didn't think of that before! Duh! Looks better too. VG would also be better for Volksgrenadier. Mord. Edited December 2, 2017 by Mord 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 No problem, Mord. I also found this. Look at Kriegsgliederungen/OOB's. But in the same category as the above link, I'm afraid, so feel free to ignore it. I will continue to look though. http://www.diedeutschewehrmacht.de/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 That's closer but I can't read German, LOL. All that needs is to be in English and say what regions they served in and it would be better than the first one. Mord. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) The best overview I know of can be found here: http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/nodes/907-akte-85-schematische-kriegsgliederung-des-heeres-1944-1945#page/1/mode/grid/zoom/1 It covers the whole Heer from 05.12.1944 up to 31.3.1945 (don't know if there is much around for later stages, since disintegration was accelerating rapidly). It is also a primary source document produced by the OKH (Oberkommando des Heeres). Now you would only need somebody to go through this to produce a list like the one you have in mind .. not me though.. Edited December 2, 2017 by Mad Mike typo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 Thanks, Mike. I took a look. I may use it if nothing better comes up but man, that's a brain breaker. I'd have to use it about five minutes at a time. LOL. Mord. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 14 minutes ago, Mord said: Thanks, Mike. I took a look. I may use it if nothing better comes up but man, that's a brain breaker. I'd have to use it about five minutes at a time. LOL. Mord. It's a lot, to be sure. But it includes all the eastern front as well as the Italian, Balkans and Northern (Denmark, Norway) theatres. If, for CMFB, you're only interested in the direct western front in the classical sense (so, Benelux states and France), it would be quite easily do-able for the months from December 1944 to March 1945. So I could do one listing for each of the four months, let me know if this would help. It would still be a long list for each month though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) That would be a great! Just please use the abbreviations I listed above and I then I can just cut and paste them into a master list that I can mod from. A far as regions go, yep, just concerned with what FB covers, Germany included. Time period would be from October to May but whatever you can do will be good. Month by month would work, because that way I won't be making seasonal background portraits for units that were destroyed. Or you could just make a regular list and annotate it if that saves time. Example: 1st Inf Div (Oct-Dec) I would know that I need to make an Autumn and Winter Background. or 2nd Inf Div (Oct) I would know the division never made it past Autumn. Appreciate it very much. Mord. Edited December 2, 2017 by Mord 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 OK, so for December 1944 (19.12.1944) it would look like this: Number Type comment 346 Inf Div Kampfgruppe 711 Inf Div 712 Inf Div 2 Fals Div 84 Inf Div Kampfgruppe 85 Inf Div Kampfgruppe 180 Inf Div 190 Inf Div 6 Fals Div Reserve 7 Fals Div 606 Inf Div Special Purpose 176 Inf Div 59 Inf Div 183 Volks Gren Div 340 Volks Gren Div 363 Volks Gren Div 246 Volks Gren Div 47 Volks Gren Div 353 Inf Div 89 Inf Div 15 Pz Gren Div 9 Pz Div 10 SS Pz Div 344 Inf Div 272 Volks Gren Div 326 Volks Gren Div 277 Volks Gren Div 3 Pz Gren Div 12 Volks Gren Div 3 Fals Div 12 SS Pz Div 1 SS Pz Div 2 SS Pz Div 9 SS Pz Div 18 Volks Gren Div 62 Volks Gren Div 116 Pz Div 560 Volks Gren Div 2 Pz Div 26 Volks Gren Div Lehr Pz Div Führer-Begleit-Brigade Pz Div 5 Fals Div 352 Volks Gren Div 276 Volks Gren Div 212 Volks Gren Div 9 Volks Gren Div Reserve 167 Volks Gren Div Reserve 79 Volks Gren Div Reserve Führer-Grenadier-Brigade Pz Div 416 Inf Div 19 Volks Gren Div 719 Inf Div 559 Volks Gren Div 347 Inf Div 36 Volks Gren Div 17 SS Pz Gren Div 11 Pz Div 25 Pz Gren Div Kampfgruppe 361 Volks Gren Div 21 Pz Div 245 Inf Div 256 Volks Gren Div 265 Inf Div Remains 198 Inf Div 708 Volks Gren Div 189 Inf Div Panzerbrigade 106 Pz Div 16 Volks Gren Div 269 Inf Div 159 Inf Div 338 Inf Div 405 Inf Div Reserve 716 Inf Div Reserve I have this in an excel file, might be more useful than just this plain text. I can provide this as well if you'd like. If this looks ok, I could do January to March 1945 in the next couple of days, would be no problem.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Wenman Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 @Mord A quick and dirty for Heersgroup B, being the forces in the main used in Wacht am Rhein as quoted by Pallud in BoB Then and Now I'm not sure whether the 15 Armee units are Infantry Divisons, or VG, or a mix. HEER Inf PzGr Pz VG SS Pz SS Pz Gr SS GJ FJ OKW Res FBB FGB 11 9 10 6 3 167 79 257 15 Armee 176 15 9 59 183 340 363 246 47 353 85 344 89 6 Pz Armee 272 1 3 326 2 277 9 12 12 5 Pz Armee 116 18 2 62 lehr 560 26 7 Armee 352 5 276 212 P 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Mad Mike said: I have this in an excel file, might be more useful than just this plain text. I can provide this as well if you'd like. If this looks ok, I could do January to March 1945 in the next couple of days, would be no problem.. Plain text is perfect, all I need is the name and number Example: 1st Inf Div, 1st Pz Div, 1st SS Div and special stuff like Führer-Grenadier-Brigade Pz Div, it's a quick short hand for when I am scanning and modding. What you just posted works, I can reorganize it how I need. Excellent! Thanks! EDITED: OOPS! Any way that you can post the next group without the formatting? I can't cut and paste directly. It's breaking each line into separate pieces. Again, thanks! Mord. Edited December 2, 2017 by Mord 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 Thanks, Pete, I'll fill in any gaps with that. Mord. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 OK, so here is the 19.12.1944 as plain text again: Number Type comment 346 Inf Div Kampfgruppe 711 Inf Div 712 Inf Div 2 Fals Div 84 Inf Div Kampfgruppe 85 Inf Div Kampfgruppe 180 Inf Div 190 Inf Div 6 Fals Div Reserve 7 Fals Div 606 Inf Div Special Purpose 176 Inf Div 59 Inf Div 183 Volks Gren Div 340 Volks Gren Div 363 Volks Gren Div 246 Volks Gren Div 47 Volks Gren Div 353 Inf Div 89 Inf Div 15 Pz Gren Div 9 Pz Div 10 SS Pz Div 344 Inf Div 272 Volks Gren Div 326 Volks Gren Div 277 Volks Gren Div 3 Pz Gren Div 12 Volks Gren Div 3 Fals Div 12 SS Pz Div 1 SS Pz Div 2 SS Pz Div 9 SS Pz Div 18 Volks Gren Div 62 Volks Gren Div 116 Pz Div 560 Volks Gren Div 2 Pz Div 26 Volks Gren Div Lehr Pz Div Führer-Begleit-Brigade Pz Div 5 Fals Div 352 Volks Gren Div 276 Volks Gren Div 212 Volks Gren Div 9 Volks Gren Div Reserve 167 Volks Gren Div Reserve 79 Volks Gren Div Reserve Führer-Grenadier-Brigade Pz Div 416 Inf Div 19 Volks Gren Div 719 Inf Div 559 Volks Gren Div 347 Inf Div 36 Volks Gren Div 17 SS Pz Gren Div 11 Pz Div 25 Pz Gren Div Kampfgruppe 361 Volks Gren Div 21 Pz Div 245 Inf Div 256 Volks Gren Div 265 Inf Div Remains 198 Inf Div 708 Volks Gren Div 189 Inf Div Panzerbrigade 106 Pz Div 16 Volks Gren Div 269 Inf Div 159 Inf Div 338 Inf Div 405 Inf Div Reserve 716 Inf Div Reserve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 And this one is for the 21.1.1945: Number Type comment 346 Inf Div Kampfgruppe 2 Fals Div 6 Fals Div 84 Inf Div Kampfgruppe 180 Inf Div 190 Inf Div 606 Inf Div Special Purpose 176 Inf Div 59 Inf Div 183 Volks Gren Div 353 Inf Div 363 Volks Gren Div 85 Inf Div 272 Volks Gren Div 62 Volks Gren Div 27 SS Div Langemark 28 SS Div Wallonien 277 Volks Gren Div 89 Inf Div 3 Fals Div 246 Volks Gren Div 18 Volks Gren Div 326 Volks Gren Div 9 SS Pz Div 15 Pz Gren Div 560 Volks Gren Div Remains 26 Volks Gren Div Führer-Begleit-Brigade Pz Div 340 Volks Gren Div 187 Volks Gren Div 5 Fals Div 3 Pz Gren Div 9 Pz Div Führer-Grenadier-Brigade Pz Div 276 Volks Gren Div 79 Volks Gren Div 352 Volks Gren Div 2 Pz Div 212 Volks Gren Div 9 Volks Gren Div Lehr Pz Div 116 Pz Div Reserve 416 Inf Div 11 Pz Div 719 Inf Div 347 Inf Div 19 Volks Gren Div 17 SS Pz Gren Div 559 Volks Gren Div 257 Volks Gren Div 6 SS Div Mountain 256 Volks Gren Div 36 Volks Gren Div 245 Inf Div Rässler Inf Div 21 Pz Div 25 Pz Gren Div 47 Volks Gren Div 265 Inf Div Remains 526 Inf Div 361 Volks Gren Div Reserve Panzerbrigade 106 Pz Div 198 Inf Div 708 Volks Gren Div 189 Inf Div 16 Volks Gren Div 338 Inf Div 159 Inf Div 716 Inf Div Kampfgruppe Hütler Inf Div 553 Volks Gren Div 405 Inf Div Breisach Inf Div 48 Volks Gren Div 7 Fals Div 10 SS Pz Div 1 SS Pz Div Reserve 2 SS Pz Div Reserve 12 SS Pz Div Reserve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 German Divisions (December, 1944) Heer 59th Inf Div 84th Inf Div 85th Inf Div 89th Inf Div 159th Inf Div 176th Inf Div 180th Inf Div 189th Inf Div 190th Inf Div 198th Inf Div 265th Inf Div 269th Inf Div 338th Inf Div 344th Inf Div 346th Inf Div 347th Inf Div 353rd Inf Div 405th Inf Div 416th Inf Div 606th Inf Div 711th Inf Div 712nd Inf Div 716th Inf Div 719th Inf Div Heer Armor 2nd Pz Div 9th Pz Div 11th Pz Div 21st Pz Div 116th Pz Div Panzerbrigade 106 Pz Div Lehr Pz Div Führer-Begleit-Brigade Pz Div Führer-Grenadier-Brigade Pz Div 15th Pz Gren Div 3rd Pz Gren Div 25th Pz Gren Div Volksgrenadier 9th VG Div 12th VG Div 16th VG Div 18th VG Div 19Th VG Div 26th VG 36th VG 47th VG Div 62nd VG Div 79th VG Div 167th VG Div 183rd VG Div 212th VG Div 246th VG Div 256Th VG Div 272nd VG Div 276th VG Div 277th VG Div 326th VG Div 340th VG Div 352nd VG Div 361st VG Div 363rd VG Div 560th VG Div 559th VG Div 708th VG Div Luftwaffe 2nd FJ Div 3rd FJ Div 5th FJ Div 7th FJ Div 9th FJ Div Waffen SS 1st SS Pz Div 2nd SS Pz Div 9th SS Pz Div 10th SS Pz Div 12th SS Pz Div 17th SS Pz Gren Div 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 Updated: ALL (so far) German Divisions Western Europe Winter 44-45 (12-2-2017) Heer 59th Inf Div 84th Inf Div 85th Inf Div 89th Inf Div 159th Inf Div 176th Inf Div 180th Inf Div 189th Inf Div 190th Inf Div 198th Inf Div 245th Inf Div 265th Inf Div 269th Inf Div 338th Inf Div 344th Inf Div 346th Inf Div 347th Inf Div 353rd Inf Div 405th Inf Div 416th Inf Div 526th Inf Div 606th Inf Div 711th Inf Div 712nd Inf Div 716th Inf Div 719th Inf Div Breisach Inf Div Hütler Inf Div Rässler Inf Div Armor 2nd Pz Div 9th Pz Div 11th Pz Div 21st Pz Div 116th Pz Div Panzerbrigade 106 Pz Div Lehr Pz Div Führer-Begleit-Brigade Pz Div Führer-Grenadier-Brigade Pz Div 15th Pz Gren Div 3rd Pz Gren Div 25th Pz Gren Div Volksgrenadier 9th VG Div 12th VG Div 16th VG Div 18th VG Div 19Th VG Div 26th VG Div 36th VG Div 47th VG Div 62nd VG Div 79th VG Div 167th VG Div 183rd VG Div 187th VG Div 212th VG Div 246th VG Div 256Th VG Div 257th VG Div 272nd VG Div 276th VG Div 277th VG Div 326th VG Div 340th VG Div 352nd VG Div 553rd VG Div 361st VG Div 363rd VG Div 560th VG Div 559th VG Div 708th VG Div Luftwaffe 2nd FJ Div 3rd FJ Div 5th FJ Div 7th FJ Div 9th FJ Div Waffen SS 27th SS Gren Div (Langemark) 28th SS Gren Div (Wallonien) 1st SS Pz Div 2nd SS Pz Div 9th SS Pz Div 10th SS Pz Div 12th SS Pz Div 17th SS Pz Gren Div 6th SS Mtn Div 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Looking good, Mord, but would you mind adding the 34th SS Gren. Div. (Landstorm Nederland) please? A rather unknown unit, but as you can see in the second link it was involved in quite some fighting in the South of the Netherlands in 1944 and 1945. It had it's baptism of fire at Arnhem during Market Garden btw. http://www.axishistory.com/books/119-germany-waffen-ss/germany-waffen-ss-divisions/1326-34-ss-freiwilligen-grenadier-division-landstorm-nederland http://www.waffen-ss.nl/lstormgesch-e.php http://www.waffen-ss.nl/harsfoto.php 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) No problem. Any division that survived past CMBN's September end date will be added. So, October 44 until the end of the war for this mod. It's funny 'cause I was just looking at that one earlier today, it was the only SS infantry portrait in all of the CMBN mod. Everything else SS, was armor and armored infantry. No worries my friend! I will make it as complete as possible. Mord. Edited December 3, 2017 by Mord 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Wenman Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 According to Goggle the time at the Mordbunker is 04:24 Sunday, 3 December 2017 (GMT-5) Time in Windham, ME, USA @Mord go to bed ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) I got the notification you posted and I was gonna type the same thing to you. That's funny! But I guess it's day time for you. I never realized you were in England. Has your location always said that? If it has I am getting as senile as Emrys. Mord. Edited December 3, 2017 by Mord 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Wenman Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Yep I've always been here ! P 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 For February 1945 (10.02.1945), I only looked at units which have not been mentioned before. This is what I came up with: Wadehn (8) Fals Div 805 Inf Div Special Purpose 905 Inf Div Special Purpose So, not so many additions. Of course, some units had left the Western Front by this time, most notably the 6. Panzerarmee with all the SS Panzer Divisions, which went into the Eastern Front reserves. Will do March 1945 a little bit later on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) Excellent. At this point because they will be using a winter background all I need is the extras to fill in the what's missing. So, that works great. I am going to start researching the CMBN portraits to find out which ones made it past September if any. Most likely there'll be bleed over, I am counting around 88 divisions just from what we have gathered here. Mord. Edited December 3, 2017 by Mord 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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