Armorgunner Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Unfortunately against their own journalists 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinaldi Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) The Russian media is also showing its main weapon system - disinformation. http://tass.com/defense/966304 "ST. PETERSBURG, September 19. /TASS/. Rumors of a fire attack on a group of journalists that allegedly happened at the Zapad-2017 exercise has been dismissed by the Western Military District as a falsehood and provocation. Earlier, some media claimed that a Ka-52 helicopter accidentally fired missiles at spectators near the Luzhsky proving ground near St. Petersburg." Still though I suppose its very good to see the Alligator can light up civilian vehicles during a CALFEX. I suppose I won't grumble about the one in a PEBM missing all its targets by 200m, evidently it is an accurate representation! Oh and of course, how could I leave out how their own military commanders undermining attempts to dodge the Vienna Document: https://rusi.org/commentary/zapad-2017-moscow’s-rules "In Zapad-2017, Russian Airborne Troops have not been declared as an integrated part of the exercise, while Colonel-General Andrey Serdyukov, the force’s commander, publicly admitted that his headquarters and three Divisions – the 76th Guards Air-Assault, the 98th, and 106th Guards Airborne Divisions and, probably, the 45th Guards Reconnaissance Brigade (no fewer than 19–20,000 troops altogether), would all take part in the manoeuvres. On their own, inclusion of these troops would be enough to trigger international monitoring, since their numbers are above the 13,000 mark. However, the Kremlin has not uttered a word on this." Edited September 19, 2017 by Rinaldi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Damn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) The weapon systems seems to work fine. Its the aiming device that seems to need an overhaul And media is a strong weapon. In Sweden public media is very left/communist. And has been so for a long time. But most people know that. And the leftparty, as they are called. After changening the name, from "Left Party the Communists" has only 6-9% of the votes of today. But they control the media unfortunatly. Edited September 19, 2017 by Armorgunner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) Video from Ka-52 S-8 rockets damaged command vehicle of Leer-3 EW station (for GSM suppression/imitation). Three men got light wounds. Video with vehicles after strike: Edited September 20, 2017 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) My perception on the S-8 incident is that EM interference from Leer-3 and tigr (P-230T command vehicle) caused an involuntary electrical discharge of a number of S-8 rockets. The fuses didn't arm and what we saw was fuel exploding, thus the low amount of casualties. Edited September 20, 2017 by BTR 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Here's a Russian weapon system which definitely concerns me! Believe these guys are Spetsnaz. Image Credit: Tumblr ruskiizek via another site. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) @John Kettler, VDV. Paras. Edited September 20, 2017 by IMHO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 14 hours ago, Armorgunner said: Its the aiming device that seems to need an overhaul So far the reason for the accident is given as an electrical short-circuit that caused involuntary launches. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artkin Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Pretty accurate short circuit! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Thank goodness one can stand so close to the impact and only be "slightly WIA". No reason for our troops to worry... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename Duchess Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 They also lost a TU-22M. Looks like the crew got out but the plane is a write off. I'm on my phone but it should turn up with a Google search. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 10 hours ago, Erwin said: Thank goodness one can stand so close to the impact and only be "slightly WIA". No reason for our troops to worry... May be warheads didn't explode for some reason. Two 80mm HEFRAGs and no serious fragment damage on the cars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrTom Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I imagine it's very likely they were training rockets - so no warhead. The explosion you see is probably solid rocket fuel only. Don't get me wrong - very dangerous - but not as dangerous as HE-FRAG! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Very hard to believe a GSM control truck triggered an on-target rocket launch. It strains credulity. That vehicle (the Leer 3) is meant to control up to a pair of drones which can spoof cell phones into using the drones as a cell towers. (Manta Ray???) I'm sure the vehicle can output some GSM signals (as well as the drones), but I'd think the vehicle is meant more as a link to the drones rather than a GSM cell. The antenna mast could probably provide a clue. Not much frag damage to anything. Some chunks, sure, but no frag. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Something glitched the distance readout (or distance calculation) from 200m to 2000m. My guess would be EM from either one or two sources at once. I've known EM to move turret drives due to poor EMC from comms trucks so this seems like a good fit to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrTom Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Good catch. You can also see the ПР launch authorization pop up for a fraction of a second. To launch rockets you need to have the authorization (computer telling you the target is in range) and hold down the fire button for about half a second. The pilot must have great reflexes! Concerning regardless that the fire control is so susceptible to what sounds like relatively minor EW. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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