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You don't take captured equipment in the field. I know my rifle works because I cleaned it, and I have ammo for it. I might know how to operate my buddy's weapon as well, but I'm not taking a firearm off an enemy in any circumstances.

Seconding partisans for both CMRT and CMFI

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But even then they would most likely come to the fight with some kind of weapon. Picking up gear off of enemy casulties would most likely be disassembled and cleaned first and used tomorrow instead of in the moment.

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On 7/15/2017 at 5:20 AM, Bulletpoint said:

Tolkien wrote his books during WW2, so I'm sure the war weighed heavily on him and influenced his works.

As an aside, I think it's quite interesting how the idea of the "Evil in the East" (Mordor) is usually thought to refer to Nazi Germany. But the Nazis themselves also thought they were fighting an evil in the east - the Soviet empire that Nazism was in many ways a reaction to and a consequence of.

Not to mention Japan fighting the enemy to the east - us

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1 hour ago, IanL said:

But even then they would most likely come to the fight with some kind of weapon. Picking up gear off of enemy casulties would most likely be disassembled and cleaned first and used tomorrow instead of in the moment.

This too makes sense, but for Uncon battles, if the weapon is better than anything they have to hand and they can use it, surely it would make sense.....It would also make players a bit more careful about casualties, something the game should emphasize IMHO.

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3 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

I'd like to see units able to buddy-aid the other side, take the wounded prisoner and steal their gear.....Uncon units wouldn't do the first bit though, any wounded that they get their hands on should go straight to the dead-pool, probably quite nastily.  This latter would give players a real motivation to rescue their wounded in asym. warfare scenarios.

Interesting ideas.

Michael

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6 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

This too makes sense, but for Uncon battles, if the weapon is better than anything they have to hand and they can use it, surely it would make sense.....It would also make players a bit more careful about casualties, something the game should emphasize IMHO.

Russia expended a tremendous effort to airdrop supplies to partisans, as the did Allies in France, Italy and Yugoslavia. The-OSS-Assisting-French-Resistance-In-tcb0724bd0b0b9b336fd960be1f31cbc0--farm-b023a48234ea8ef9251e958988ba63ec8.jpg

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On 7/19/2017 at 2:57 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said:

This too makes sense, but for Uncon battles, if the weapon is better than anything they have to hand and they can use it, surely it would make sense......

Not in the middle of a firefight!  As others point out, no weapon is trustworthy until you check it out personaly and supply yourself sufficient ammunition.  Additionally, troops on one side have this tendency to fire at the sounds of enemy weapons.  The fastest way to draw friendly fire is to make noise with an enemy weapon. :(

On 7/19/2017 at 10:59 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said:

Would that stop them from picking up a Panzerfaust or a MG-42?

Again, not in the middle of an ongoing firefight but certainly afterwards (which was done historically).  The US 82nd Airborne Division captured some Panzerfäuste in the Sicilian campaign, and later during the fighting in Normandy. Finding them more effective than their own Bazookas, they held onto them and used them during the later stages of the French campaign, even dropping with them into the Netherlands during Operation Market Garden. They captured an ammunition dump of Panzerfäuste near Nijmegen, and used them through the Ardennes Offensive toward the end of the war.

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Why not? 

It seems the primary objection to the concept is that the weapons in question might be dirt-clogged/unreliable/damaged and thus would not be used.....Surely the same applies to friendly weapons recovered from the smouldering ruins? 

TBH I accept that regulars might not be inclined to recover weapons (I'd still like to see them buddy-aid and capture fallen enemies though), but IMHO UnCons certainly should be able to recover weapons and they should finish off the wounded too.....I genuinely believe some variation of this would add to the game.

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5 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

Surely the same applies to friendly weapons recovered from the smouldering ruins?

In my games troops are almost never in smoldering ruins and if they are from the same unit as the buddy aiding soldier, he would be likely to have a good idea of how clean his buddy keeps his weapon. So simply roll a die and depending on confidence level, he decides whether or not to pick up the weapon. A very different question than when the wounded soldier is an enemy and therefore unknown.

Michael

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What about an enemy from a force that is much better trained than you are.....UnCons picking up US weapons in Iraq/Syria/Afghanistan or WWII Partisans/Resistance picking up German weapons?

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but I still maintain the idea has some merit.  ;)

PS - By 'smouldering ruins' I meant the shattered remains of the unit that lost the weapons in the first place.....If a friendly unit were taken out by artillery I'd warrant their weapons would be a lot less safe to use than those of an enemy who was shot by a sniper, yet your buddy-aiding units will still pick those weapons up if they are better than their own.

 

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14 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

What about an enemy from a force that is much better trained than you are.....UnCons picking up US weapons in Iraq/Syria/Afghanistan or WWII Partisans/Resistance picking up German weapons?

That presents other problems, depending on just where the gaps in training lay. If you pick up a weapon whose operation requires knowhow that you are lacking, you are more likely to misuse or break it. Ergo, you aren't likely to pick it up.

It's a complicated issue and I can understand why BFC has steered clear of it.

Michael

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Andy,

The top one is the first Emcha I've ever seen with the applique armor. for some reason, I want to say the second was shot in Austria. While we're on the subject, do you have any idea why Loza's Commanding the Red Army's Sherman Tanks in War costs roughly twice (if not much more) what his Defending the Soviet Motherland does, yet both are from the same publisher? Paid about $15 for the latter, but the former is a bit rich for both my blood and my wallet!

Regards,

John Kettler

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17 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

Nope.....IMHO the price of these specialist publications is obscene, you could quite easily add a zero to the end of your figure for some of them. :unsure:

It's supply and demand. If a book is expected to sell thousands of copies, the cost per copy of producing it go way down. Many of the costs of publication are fixed, that is they are the same whether you are printing one or a million. So spreading them over a short run means that each copy has to carry a larger chunk of the cost compared to a longer run.

Michael

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  • 2 weeks later...

The Russians bolluxed-up their report on the AEC MkII. They claimed the max armor was 25.4mm (1 inch). Another source I've found on AEC Mk II/III says:

Armour,
Hull front: 60mm
Hull sides: 50mm
Hull rear: 25mm
Turret front: 65mm
Turret sides: 60mm
Turret rear: 60mm

Other sites just repeat Wikipedia's claim of 16-65mm (16mm being for the hulltop). 65mm works out to 2.56 inches.

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