Panther/Tiger 1 v Allied guns

[MtTodd]

After reading many threads regarding how realistic 17pounder & 76mm is

simulated against Panther & Tiger 1 frontal armour, I am still confused if

this is modelled accurately.

I would be interested on any opinions on this matter

[Jack Carr]

Greetings,

Funny that you should pose this particular question to the CMBO forum. The answers you get may vary but it has been my experience that although CMBO is a dynamite game and great fun to play, compared to CMBB and CMAK, its realism from a main canon standpoint cannot hold a candle to the two games that came after it.

Again, its a great game and lots of fun to play but I have lost Tiger IE's to Stuart 37MM's frontally in CMBO. It happened regularly as well. I have never had the above happen in CMBB or CMAK, I think the Russian's have the lend/lease Stuarts if I'm not mistaken.

I'm sure someone will come along and slam my response but its content is based on my experience with CMBO.

[MtTodd]

Thanks for your reply.

Does anyone know if the other games model penetration diffently to CMOO?

Is US 76mm & 17 pounder tungsten performance accurate v Tiger & Panther frontal armour?

[throwdjohn]

correct me if i'm mistaken, but is the 17 pdr much higher velocity than 76mm?

[Kingfish]

Originally posted by throwdjohn:

correct me if i'm mistaken, but is the 17 pdr much higher velocity than 76mm?

Correct. IIRC, the 17 had a MV in the mid 800s while the 76 was in the high 700s. The best all around was the German 88/L71, with 1200+m/sec.

[roqf77]

well other than the improved consistency the values are different. on beyond overlord the 17pdr at 100m penetrates about 170mm on afrika korp it penetrates about 207mm of coure it depends on the round.