BLSTK Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) You know me well, kohlenklau.But not nearly as well as Dolly does. Edited November 4, 2015 by BLSTK 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLaurier Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Over $200.oo american... so $300.oo Canadian.I rather like my parts, so will not be selling any spare kidneys to by this tome.That said, a lotter win might get me to buy it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Check it out - coffee mug and pen for scale 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUCASWILLEN05 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 If I had the spare cash lying around I would. ,As it is though i have quite a few of the better recent books on the battle already. At the price RZM are asking no :-( 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Check it out - coffee mug and pen for scale Looks like someone has a (cork)screw loose.Just kidding, Banesy. Glad to see you made Santa's "Nice" list.There's a first time for everything, eh? Edited November 5, 2015 by BLSTK 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttorneyAtWar Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Holy crap!I still want it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSj Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) I just finished re-reading this book: http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Steel-Myth-II-SS-Panzer-Korps-Prochorowka/dp/0974838942/A somewhat smaller (but not too much) and a bit less pricey book, but still awesome. An extremely detailed account of the southern front of Kursk, busting a lot of the myths about this battle.Oh, and has anyone read this?: http://www.amazon.com/Demolishing-Myth-Prokhorovka-Operational-Narrative/dp/1906033897/I've heard a lot of good things about it, and I am thinking of getting it too. Edited November 7, 2015 by JSj 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 So what does it actually say?What is the extent of its focus, in time, space, and forces? How many days, miles of the front, which units? What do the tables tell us? Is there more there than in e.g. Ketterling's book which gave us the AM German tank strength returns and daily dividional personnel casualty figures, or Glanz who gave us the before and after tank strengths of the various Russian formations engaged?You have twenty minutes to read it and tell us... (grin). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidhöggr Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Let's see if this book...FINALLY...can put one of the most persistent myths of WWII "The worlds largest tank battle at Prokhorovka" to rest! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 So what does it actually say?What is the extent of its focus, in time, space, and forces? How many days, miles of the front, which units? What do the tables tell us? Is there more there than in e.g. Ketterling's book which gave us the AM German tank strength returns and daily dividional personnel casualty figures, or Glanz who gave us the before and after tank strengths of the various Russian formations engaged?You have twenty minutes to read it and tell us... (grin).Yeah, right I'm about 100 pages in, I'll try to give some idea of your points next week when I've gone a bit further, but initial impression appears to be that it covers all the units involved in the southern sector by day, but can't be 100% sure since I haven't reached the meat of it yet. There are also a couple of chapters covering the air aspect - am particularly interested to see what those chapters hold, since there's usually a fair chunk of mythbusting whenever WWII air-to-ground is examined closely ( as many of us know ). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Anyone wanna bet Banesy needs a new prescription by the time he gets through reading? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Oh, and he'll probably want a new pair of glasses as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Ahem, we don't get that on prescription here No glasses required, fortunately. Despite the advance of the years, my eyes have not yet begun to fail. I feel rather lucky on that one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARI SELDON Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) Hasn't the claim that Prokhorovka was the largest tank battle in history been documented as false by various modern studies?How does Kursk as a whole stack up as the largest tank battle if you include German 9th Army, 4th Pz Army, AD Kempf and the three Soviet fronts? Edited November 8, 2015 by HARI SELDON spelling 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckman Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Hasn't the claim that Prokhorovka was the largest tank battle in history been documented as false by various modern studies?How does Kursk as a whole stack up as the largest tank battle if you include German 9th Army, 4th Pz Army, AD Kempf and the three Soviet fronts? I think Niklas Zetterling and a few others killed off Prochorovka ten years ago. There's probably still some work to be done on the Soviet side, but there was enough in the German archives to bury it.I don't know where Kursk and Prochorovka currently sit in the pantheon of Great Tank Battles, but the leader is likely still Chinese Farm . Depending on how you count I imagine Desert Storm could perhaps stake a claim, but for sheer constriction it's hard to beat the Arab-Israeli wars. Goodwood may actually have been the biggest tank battle of WWII if you limit it to a reasonable definition of "single engagement", i.e. "battle" in a more old-fashioned and commonsensical way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
76mm Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 IIRC either the battle of Medina Ridge or 73 Easting in Desert Storm was called the "biggest tank battle ever", but I've got to think that Kursk or Chinese farm were rather more intense affairs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George MC Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) Well put together film about Kursk involving German propaganda news reel plus additional footage. Worth watching certainly for the opening five minutes for the footage of German infantry, armour and SPW in combat supported by nebelwerfers. Edited November 17, 2015 by George MC spelling 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Good stuff, George. Thanks for sharing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17pounder Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Sure you can play Kursk on CMRT - the maps are all summer and you can build your own scenarios too, or just pick one of the more open, steppe like maps in quick battle. There are plenty of fortifications to choose from too. The only real absentees are KV's and Elefants. The infantry both sides are covered, if you want to replicate the SS instead of heer, then there are mods to change them to look like SS over at greenasjade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I ordered the book. When my ex-wife swings by I will gloat and not even let her read it!THAT will truely hurt her. ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspen77rt Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 The book is massive. You can also do curls with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspen77rt Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) Another neat book released this summer. Has actual time period aerial photos of the battlefield. Rather a neat focused little book. Edited November 29, 2015 by aspen77rt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 What would that mean, "assembly positions"? That they just got off the train and started to screw on the tracks and load ammo? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspen77rt Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) Probably another play on assembly area. If you read the text below the pic it states assembly area. The inset might be showing the positions of the Ferds within the unit assembly area. Could be for resupply, or prior to moving into attack position and so forth. I seriously doubt they just came off the train that close to the front line...lol. Not on 7 July least wise not in the area of the photo. Edited December 1, 2015 by aspen77rt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artkin Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 On 11/5/2015 at 5:15 AM, Baneman said: Check it out - coffee mug and pen for scale Lol just ordered mine today. Yippee. Now let's get it in CM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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