GAZ NZ Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 $200 million to ukraine approved by US house committee its on news sites now so can ukraine forces get upgraded with javs or do you need a list of what they get before you update interesting to see what they actually get cheers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Judging by past precedent Ukraine is probably going to be getting lots more Volkswagen Amaroks and radio equipment. And tents. And used British helmets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehot78 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I believe it's the President of the USA that decides if and when that occurs. Congress already approved the law months ago 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emccabe Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I believe it's the President of the USA that decides if and when that occurs. Congress already approved the law months ago yea it has been approved but Obama has not put in into effect yet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 $200 million to ukraine approved by US house committee its on news sites now so can ukraine forces get upgraded with javs or do you need a list of what they get before you update interesting to see what they actually get cheers It would help if you actually knew how the American legislative process works before jumping to the conclusion that Ukraine should now have Javelins. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 It would help if you actually knew how the American legislative process works before jumping to the conclusion that Ukraine should now have Javelins.Wait a second. In order to understand how something works, it is kinda important to know it actually works in the first place Seriously, there's nothing interesting new here. The subcommittee of the House of Reps has passed draft legislation for a wide range of defense spending programs, of which is the (relatively) tiny $200m for arms/training to Ukraine. It has not been approved by the rest of the House, it has not been approved by the Senate at all, it has not been "reconciled", and therefore there is absolutely nothing for Obama to sign or reject because it's not on his desk for either action. That's exactly where this has been since late last year.Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreDay Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) Wait a second. In order to understand how something works, it is kinda important to know it actually works in the first place Seriously, there's nothing interesting new here. The subcommittee of the House of Reps has passed draft legislation for a wide range of defense spending programs, of which is the (relatively) tiny $200m for arms/training to Ukraine. It has not been approved by the rest of the House, it has not been approved by the Senate at all, it has not been "reconciled", and therefore there is absolutely nothing for Obama to sign or reject because it's not on his desk for either action. That's exactly where this has been since late last year. Steve Steve is absolutely correct in describing the factual/procedural side of this matter. From that perspective, it is definitely a nonstory. However, when you consider the impact of this act and it's coverage in the media field, there are (in my humble view) several hidden messages that are sent here: 1. US is not forgetting about Ukraine and will continue to support its military - that's a message for Russians 2. US support for the Ukrainian military will remain limited and scalable (as the $200 mil is not nearly enough to push ZSU to a new qualitative level) - that's the message for the Ukrainians 3. The conflict in Donbas will continue to burn and possibly get worse with more global implications; unless the "Normandy Format" negotiations succeed in resolving (not very likely) or "freezing” it (very likely) for the near future - that's the message for Europeans (mainly France and Germany) Edited May 2, 2015 by DreDay 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 For sure, that is true. But that's really not news either, nor is it the only message being sent recently.Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreDay Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 For sure, that is true. But that's really not news either, nor is it the only message being sent recently. Steve 100%. My only point was, that there is some meanig behind such actions and their coverage, regardless of their actual procedural status. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Wait a second. In order to understand how something works, it is kinda important to know it actually works in the first place Seriously, there's nothing interesting new here. The subcommittee of the House of Reps has passed draft legislation for a wide range of defense spending programs, of which is the (relatively) tiny $200m for arms/training to Ukraine. It has not been approved by the rest of the House, it has not been approved by the Senate at all, it has not been "reconciled", and therefore there is absolutely nothing for Obama to sign or reject because it's not on his desk for either action. That's exactly where this has been since late last year. Steve Exactly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 It is kinda telling that when I did a Google search on this earlier today the only article that showed up was from Russia Today. The reason is that in the West this isn't news and it is not important. Yet, anyway. But it's being spun as something far more meaningful in the RT article. It stated it was a continuation of the US' "anti-Russian policy".Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreDay Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 It is kinda telling that when I did a Google search on this earlier today the only article that showed up was from Russia Today. The reason is that in the West this isn't news and it is not important. Yet, anyway. But it's being spun as something far more meaningful in the RT article. It stated it was a continuation of the US' "anti-Russian policy". Steve To be fair, this was reported by quite a few news sources in US (Washington Post), Ukraine (Kiev Post), and Russia (RT/Sputnik) amongst others. Still it's far from being headline news for the reasons that you have outlined above; but (again in my humble opinion) it is sufficient to send the message to those parties that it is meant for... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Oh, for sure I found it in other news sources. But when I Googled the info on the day this thread popped up, the only relevant article that appeared in Google's "news" subsection was the RT article. The others were hits on stuff from Dec-Feb when more meaningful actions were taking place. Since Google puts those articles in front of me based on various formulas weighted by popularity and presumed relevance, I did find it interesting that the RT article was the only one that appeared there. A broader search, of course, turned up references to it.The RT article, of course, did make it out to be more important in fact than it really is. Which, as you say, means that Russia understands that it is a message and is acting upon it as such.Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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