LUCASWILLEN05 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I am curious as to whether Black Sea and, for that matter Shock Force takes moder body armour into account. Soldiers seem to be wearing it but how effective is it in game terms? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antaress73 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) With the amount of firepower involved and the loss rate I saw.. quite effective ! I guess it transforms what would have been a lot of red casualties (incapacitated) into yellow ones (lightly injured but still functional). Especially sharpnel from airburst ammo. Edited February 2, 2015 by antaress73 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Very much modeled. Small arms and shell fragments are greatly affected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinaldi Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Shock Force without a doubt did, especially in terms of the difference between fatal casualties and incapacitated casualties. I remember an RPG-29 hitting a floor that had a Dutch fireteam in it; 2 men were incapacitated rather than killed, and the other two were only lightly wounded, and that's with a powerful thermoberic. By contrast, when I returned the favor with a few rifle grenades on a Syrian reservist group later on in the battle, carnage was wholesale, the entire squad was put down and most of them were fatalities. The body armour definitely prolongs grenade duels and the ability to stay in a building through low caliber shellfire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agusto Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Which factions have body armour? I know the US and the probably also the russians have body armour, but what about the ukrainians? And is the body armor of different quality or do all sides that have body amour get a generic ballistic vest? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db_zero Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I saw an article yesterday saying the US is already providing "non-lethal" aid that does include body armor. What sort of body armor that is I don't know. The article also mentions the US is now considering giving AT and AA weapons to Ukraine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macisle Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 It feels like the body armor offers quite a bit of protection. Even though the modern weapons pump out a lot of lead, the infantry-only fights seem slower/less lethal than WWII fights usually do to me. -Lots more yellow walking wounded. I really like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikalugin Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Basic body armour is fairly generic now a days and should be issued to everyone. What body armor does not protect you from are the HE/thermobaric primary effects. I do wonder though if BZK pattern suits would be available to the troops. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robear Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I definitely have had to adapt my tactics to be more mobile and aggressive with infantry, in order to survive. The body armor clearly helps with that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnersman Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 When playing the first scenario as blue (I forget the title. Tiny, infantry only. US v Rus) it did seem as though my troopers most likely to be wounded by the air bursts from mortars and not incapacited or killed. And that was in the open or in a sparse tree line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik mond Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Which factions have body armour? I know the US and the probably also the russians have body armour, but what about the ukrainians? And is the body armor of different quality or do all sides that have body amour get a generic ballistic vest? The Ukraine manufactures and exports a variety of military and police grade balistic vests that offer anywhere from Class 1 to IV protection. The pictures I have seen indicate a variety of models outfitting troops, possibly based on service branch. I believe it is standard issue for all combat arms soldiers (tank crews excepted) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikalugin Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 A number of those were procured by the volunteers, so while the ballistic protection is/was near standard issue, the quality varies. That said I would assume that from the basic scenario the Kiev Government had the ability to procure some sort of standardised model. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUCASWILLEN05 Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 Thanks for al the feedback. I suspect the Syriamn regulars in CMSF and defintely the unconventionals did not get the body armour however. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik mond Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 A number of those were procured by the volunteers, so while the ballistic protection is/was near standard issue, the quality varies. That said I would assume that from the basic scenario the Kiev Government had the ability to procure some sort of standardised model. True, the game takes place in 2017. I would think such nuances as to vest standardization was easier left as resolved by then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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