Guest John Maragoudakis Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 In tournements there would be a greater danger of cheating. Is the following scenario possible? I challenge player B to a game. I take the axis side. I do my setup and orders and then send player B my PBEM email. Unknowingly to player B, I send the same email to a very good player C that I know. Player C accepts to play and sends me his PBEM email response. I make a copy of player C's PBEM and send the email to player B. B thinks that that was my email when it was really C's. Can I then win a game against B using all of C's moves? Maybe the emails should have a stamp of thier owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 Can u guess players B password Also u have no idea the setup position of player B used at the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Maragoudakis Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 Why would I need player B's password. I'm player A. I am trying to show that I can have C play my game if I think C is very good. B and C don't know this is going on. I wouldn't do this myself though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Maragoudakis Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 B sends me email. C sends me email. I act as a middleman. B gets C's email thinking it's mine. C gets B's email thinking it's mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 Oh so u don't need B password in tournements play ? maybe i am on the wrong track adn thinking more about pbem play. OK i understand u are middle man. But isn't that the same as u playing the game ? Arhh know i see where u are going. You are saying that u use a better player to play your game for points tournements. Well i can't say you could stop it, but i prefer to lose and become a better player . But i agree that it could be done, i may be wrong. You don't gain experience without failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Maragoudakis Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 Yes that's what I'm saying. I wouldn't do it of course, I wouldn't want to. What prevents someone else from doing that. Perhaps there should be a player's stamp(name of player) and date sent, written somehwere. [This message has been edited by John Maragoudakis (edited 11-09-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest titan Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 Well, i think you will find just about all the people here would not go to such lenghts as the kind of people i think this game has attracted are abit more shall we say "mature" maybe on a redalert kinda game and to a lesser extent closecombat.But i think i would play anyone in here in full confidence that if there was a way to cheat no one would do so.I for one would never ever play a cheater ever again if i ever found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 John, It would be noticed.. It mightn't be noticed immediately BUT it would be noticed and once noticed the player who did the "swapping of files" would never find another good opponent again EVER ! ------------------ ___________ Fionn Kelly Manager of Historical Research, The Gamers Net - Gaming for Gamers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverendo Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 Take a Scotsman's advice about fair play: Never play with a lad who isn't close enough to behead him with your claymore if he cheats... :¬) ------------------ Regards Reverendo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 Behead him with a claymore? Actually my Claymore just riddles him with the equivalent force of 100 double ought shotgun rounds. But then I use a clacker not a pommel. Los Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 This wouldn't work unless player C has the same password as player B, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 This wouldn't work. Because both player B and player C would be playing the allied side, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Maragoudakis Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 I thought you might have been right Lee. But If I told B that I was axis, then I would tell C that I'm allied. I would be sending C B's (allied)moves. To B, I would send C's(axis)moves. I would never, ever, never do this. But how would Los feel if he lost a game against me when he might have been playing Fionn? Solution...When the player opens an email he gets a note like the player that sent it and the date. [This message has been edited by John Maragoudakis (edited 11-09-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS was 71331 Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 I guess I don't see the problem. I don't care whether I'm playing Fionn or somebody else claiming to be Fionn. I just want a game with an opponent who plays well and has a few surprises up his sleeve. Even if we're in a tournament, what difference does it make what name is used by the best player? However, if somebody's able to patch the program to improve his men's shooting and the effectiveness of their ammo, that's cheating that would upset me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 Ah, but John, you said you sent the *same* e-mail to player C. So, I was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FEBA Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 I agree with MOS I'm player B. I'm playing against C (and I think its A). C is good enough to be a tournament player: otherwise why does A ask C to play in his stead? Player A has enabled me ( to play against C. As player B, I am fortunate to get to play and learn from a tournament level player. I guess I would have to thank A. A takes the (false) glory of beating me (and little glory THAT is ). Heck, he has to live with himself, but I don't see he's hurting me. However, why would C do this? Does he like playing AND giving the glory to A? Does A pay C? I don't think this is a cheat we need to worry about. What I do need to worry about now is pford's mortar...or is it Fionn's?... [This message has been edited by FEBA (edited 11-09-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutral Party Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 For the set of circumstances described you would lose one game and win one game, so your average will be 50%. I suppose some may think this could be a useful cheat mode if you play two persons simultaneously, both of whom you expect to lose to. It is very possible that the two individuals who you "play" will have a satisfying experience. In contrast, you will derive no pleasure from the experience other than that of a naughty child who didn't get found out. In my opinion the whole thing would be a pointless exercise in futility. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 Personally anyone who did this would actually play NO games but have others play them for them. Also, this player would, eventually, be found out... What happens when Los and I (to use an example) chat about our games with the cheater and realise he cheated? Well, it would be public and it wouldn't be pretty Having my own Combat Mission site to which I can post whatever I want has its benefits let me assure you ------------------ ___________ Fionn Kelly Manager of Historical Research, The Gamers Net - Gaming for Gamers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FEBA Posted November 9, 1999 Share Posted November 9, 1999 Oh, I see, neither B or C know there is a middleman? Still, it would be pointless. Not only does A not get to play, he doesn't get to see the movie replays, because he doesn't know either players password. Still A could "win" a tournement. If one player is not in the tournement ( and the other is ©, then A's win/loss ratio can go up in the tournement in which C and A are playing. While your personal win/loss rating stays at 1/1 your tournement ratio can be 1 win, 0 losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom punkrawk Posted November 10, 1999 Share Posted November 10, 1999 So umm.....BTS, when are you going to put out the unlimited ammo and 'god' codes for the game?? ------------------ We ain't got no place to go,let's go to a punk rawk show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Maragoudakis Posted November 10, 1999 Share Posted November 10, 1999 The whole point was that I wanted to be sure that I am not being manipulated by someone when I send my PBEM. That's why I wanted a stamped email with a date so that that I know whose PBEM I am receiving and when it was made. For _my_ security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yakstock Posted November 10, 1999 Share Posted November 10, 1999 [This message has been edited by yakstock (edited 11-10-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeAcH Posted November 10, 1999 Share Posted November 10, 1999 Good point yak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Maragoudakis Posted November 10, 1999 Share Posted November 10, 1999 Long live Rome [This message has been edited by John Maragoudakis (edited 11-10-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Posted November 10, 1999 Share Posted November 10, 1999 Yak, Did it ever occur to you that it might have been a good idea to just report this bug to BTS and then shut up about it? Instead of spilling this rather smelly bean in front of every and single one of the, perhaps, thousands of PBEM´ers out there? Id say the number of people worrying about being cheated is greater than the number actually cheating, thus the sensible approach is to quickly and quietly fix this and let people walk on in blissful ignorance of this horrible, horrible BETA demo danger. John´s reaction is very much a symptom of this problem. Worried, irrational and illogical in it´s conclusion. For sure, how to react in situations like this is problematic subject with very important implications in real life (think crime control issues) and, as in turns out, here... M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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