Jorge MC Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 End of Watch is a superb film by the director. best cop movie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 They should have used the proper model Tiger for the time the film covers. When this happens in films the results can be fantastic. Check out these Tigers from the old 60's flick 'Battle of the Bulge'. Not a smoke launcher in sight! Sorry, but these "Tigers" are M48 Walker Bulldog, if I am not mistaken. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Grenade down the barrel, one arm blown off, cigar clenched in teeth, turning to wink at his men as fireball engulfs him. And as soon as I read that I thought "one of your men, surely !" They we're omitted from production starting in June 1943. The Nahverteidigungswaffe replaced them starting in January 44. ... And I saw the Nahverteidigungswaffe working in-game for the first time ever just yesterday. Bunch of Russian infantry ran up to my Tiger in the woods which couldn't back away fast enough due to the terrain. Cue little flying grenades and pops on the ground. Totally ineffective of course, one landed on a Russian infantryman's foot and he wasn't hurt ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karelian Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Meh, I'd still prefer StuG IIIs, KV-1s and T-34s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat - was IanL Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Sorry, but these "Tigers" are M48 Walker Bulldog, if I am not mistaken. I think you missed the sarcasm tags that were implied given it was in response to @JohnS's biting but hilarious post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysniper Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 They get the ONLY actual working Tiger, In. The. World., f (FWIW, that Tiger was captured in Tunisia in early 1943, and was from of one of the earlier production batches, so the nit you picked is probably technically correct. But JFC ... wood for the trees, much?) I am not sure this is correct. I thought there was a working Tiger I somewhere in Russia also. I recall seeing it on ytube or somewhere like that. I might have to see if I can find the site. All I remember was it was at a old warehouse, they ran it around a bit and if I recall correctly, It might have been for sell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysniper Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Ok, my memory is a little weak, in that it is a full scale replica, but it still would work well for "Movies" Here is the title for one of the two videos that are on ytube NEW! Awesome German Tiger Tank Replica 1:1 scale in Russia - SdKfz 181 Schwere Panzerkampfwagen VI 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I think you missed the sarcasm tags that were implied given it was in response to @JohnS's biting but hilarious post. Ooops, yep I missed it. And forgot an ancient Bundeswehr order: raise complaints only 24h after the incident! My correction was a quick shot from the commuter train. ;-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Sorry, but these "Tigers" are M48 Walker Bulldog, if I am not mistaken. Off by one number - M47. Interestingly, that turret could be considered the 'Americanized' version of the German Panther 'Schmalturm'! It was designed immediately postwar and included all of the Schmalturm design advantages with the inclusion of an American-style rear counterweight and a cast shell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidFields Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Just watched the trailer. I thought you all were kidding about Brad Pitt....but...no. I might see it. It does not seem to have the "Saving Private Ryan" realism to its gore--more "Band of Brothers". In some ways that is good, since I almost had to strap myself into my chair to watch "Saving Private Ryan", and still have images from that movie which haunt me--necessary for me to watch, I think, but not something I want to do frequently. Things that generally bother me with WW2 war movies: In order to get everything into the picture frame, they bunch people/tanks. There is a scene in trailer with "300 German" soldiers coming down the road--marching like it was a parade. Can anyone comment on if the internal tank sequences in the trailer look realistic. Clearly the distances are wrong--the camera seems as though it is 10 feet away. But does anything look realistic? And I think the trailer has one of the only war scenes I have seen were the tank's bow MG has an important role. For non-warbuffs, even its existence may be a surprise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 soldiers coming down the road--marching like it was a parade. I recall one infamous incident duribng the Bulge battles where an M16 'meat chopper' caught about 60 German soldiers doing just that. They waved the men forward as though they were a friendly unit then set on them with the quad .50 cals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger73 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Just to pick nits because its fun; The trailer for "Fury" shows the tank crew as members of the 2nd Armored Division and Wardaddy talks about serving from Africa through France. They wear their triangular "Hell on Wheels" division patch on the left shoulder where, in fact, most WW2 US Division uniform patches were worn. However (and unfortunately for this film's costume design research historian), the 2nd AD patch was sewn on or above the left breast uniform pocket as directed by George S Patton when he commanded the division circa 1940. The 2nd AD continued wearing that patch there until final de-activation in 1995. It was officially authorized, not just locally tolerated. I can't recall or find exactly why this was done. I've heard two versions; one, that Patton wanted a quick way to identify the men of his division by having them wear the patch ("flash" to you Brits) uniquely from the other divisions where 2AD operated; two, Patton wanted the patch worn above the heart as an expression of loyalty to the unit. I've seen pictures where other WW2 divisions followed suit. 1st AD 3rd AD Can anyone cite the historical authority for wearing the armored triangle tank division patch on uniforms above the left breast pocket? Which divisions did so? Which did not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macisle Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I watched the trailer with the sound off to prevents spoilers and/or a severe bout of wincing, should the script fail the smell test. Visually, it looks promising. I'll definitely have to see the scene with that Tiger in action! I wish we could have the actors (and some of the writing) from the classic WWII films of the 60s and 70s, but with modern film tech and some of the gear available these days. I'm all in favor of war movies that go against the grain. I can't stand most films in the action/war genre produced since the early 80s. However, The Thin Red Line isn't one I would use as an example of a successful attempt to be different. It may be the least effective anti-war film I've ever seen and the only time in my life I've felt a deep sense of relief and satisfaction when a main character dies. Had the setting been Vietnam, then maybe... ...but still probably not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niall78 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Sorry, but these "Tigers" are M48 Walker Bulldog, if I am not mistaken. You mean the 'Battle of the Bulge' film isn't technically correct? Get up the garden path! Next you'll be telling me the battle didn't end with the Americans rolling barrels of flaming petrol down a hill to stop the SS panzer spearhead! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umlaut Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Another US hero movie. Yawn. Looks nice though. More or less my reaction, too. US WWII movies are all too often so doused in heroic and patriotic pathos that it gets sickening. Same seems to go for the russian ones. In my opinion, the germans make the best WWII movies, for instance Die Brücke (The Bridge), Das Boot, Stalingrad and The Downfall. I´ve been wondering why that is so, and I think it is because they can´t make those "salute the flag and shed a tear" cliché movies. For obvious historical reasons. Thus, the germans have to make movies that focus on the more dark aspects of war and what war does to the individual. That creates much more interesting stories - in my opinion. But I am surely going to see Fury. Often the trailer puts more emphasis on the clichés than the actual movie - I really hope that is the case. Things that generally bother me with WW2 war movies: In order to get everything into the picture frame, they bunch people/tanks. There is a scene in trailer with "300 German" soldiers coming down the road--marching like it was a parade The 300 germans in a file could simply just be down to the editing of the trailer: Could well be that this shot is actually from an entirely different part of the movie. Can anyone comment on if the internal tank sequences in the trailer look realistic. Clearly the distances are wrong--the camera seems as though it is 10 feet away. But does anything look realistic? Distances are probably always going to be wrong in most war movies, I´m afraid. I believe that the reasoning behind it is something like this: If the distances were realistic then the Tiger would only be a tiny spec on the horizon when looking from the Sherman´s perpective - and vice versa. That doesn´t make for very good cinematography. In order to be able to convey the action to the audience the director then chooses to reduce the distances. He probably knows that this is not realistic, but since it is probably less than 10 percent of the audience than knows it too, it makes good business sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macisle Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Das Boot, Stalingrad and The Downfall are among my favorites, too. I think the older American WWII movies are often less clichéd than those of the last few decades. They just seem that way sometimes because of dated styling, effects, and uneven quality throughout their screenplays. The actual WWII generation in the US was generally pretty humble about what it did and our place in the world. It has mostly been the later generations that have suffered from Cold War propaganda, a need to get over the Vietnam Syndrome, and post-Cold War national ego mega-inflation. And the film U-571...I mean...why? Why on earth would you make a movie that steals credit from an Ally when it is totally unnecessary? The real story has plenty of drama. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodin Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I agree Germans make the best WW2 films. Funny though how one of the best American WW2 films was about the Germans "Cross of iron". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I agree Germans make the best WW2 films. Funny though how one of the best American WW2 films was about the Germans "Cross of iron". One movie completely neglected (as far as I have read this thread. My other post may show, that I do not read everything with sufficient patience. :-) )in this discussion is: Die Brücke. Dating back to the 50s and you see only one Sherman, but for me THE German war movie! About a group of youngsters, being held back to defend a tiny bridge in their hometown. When the unexpected US troops arrive, the thing turns into desaster. Extremely touching! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan1 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Jesus F Christ. They get the ONLY actual working Tiger, In. The. World., for the movie, and you complain about the freaking smoke launchers? Who are you, Dorosh? (FWIW, that Tiger was captured in Tunisia in early 1943, and was from of one of the earlier production batches, so the nit you picked is probably technically correct. But JFC ... wood for the trees, much?) Actually the proper expression is Jesus H Christ, if you want to show frustration with my nitpicking at least use the oath properly. No, I am not now, nor ever have been Dorosh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan1 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Coffee spat all over the screen ... that is the funniest thing I've read on this forum for a long while. Jesus Q Christ, guy, it wasn't that funny. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMac Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Ok Nidan, Jesus H Christ, where is my fracking CM:BN turn... Now, in saying the above; "I have been - and always shall be - your friend"...Quote from 'Star Trek'-The Wrath of Khan ). Joe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan1 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Admiral Kirk? File is fast approaching dropbox. I'm loading it into the smoke discharger as we speak. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMac Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Oh, your good...Very Good :-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmacaro@gmail.com Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 "Billed as a German Band of Brothers" I wouldn't go that far, but it was pretty good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Yes, I saw the first 2 episodes of the 3(?) part series on a plane over the Atlantic. Not as good as Das Boot, but what is? I thought it was quite good. I wish I could find the 3rd episode. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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