Dar Posted November 4, 1999 Share Posted November 4, 1999 I believe BTS stated before, in the thread "Points System", that there would be a points system with which players could buy the units they want in a scenario. Is this still going to be implemented? The reason I'm asking is because these two scenarios in the Beta demo would be much more enjoyable and replayable for me if I didn't know both sides OOBs like the back of my hand already. I certainly would not be charging the town as carelessly in the "Last Defense" with those tracks and tanks if I didn't know the Amis have no long distance AT defense. Even the possibility of a 57mm AT gun there somewhere would make me a bit more cautious, but there's no variety in the demo. Will the points system be implemented in the real deal? Dar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted November 4, 1999 Share Posted November 4, 1999 Dar, for a premade scenario like the demo ones, no, you can not buy units. That was actually never the plan What you can do is buy units for a DYO (design your own) scenario that involves either a premade or computer generated map. For example, you could take the Riesberg map and have both you and the AI buy units, but both start out with no units at all. Er, hope that made sense Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dar Posted November 4, 1999 Author Share Posted November 4, 1999 Steve, Okay, I think I've got it. Pre-made scenarios will have fixed OOBs, but I can generate a scenario (using a random map or a pre-existing one) and both I and my opponent (whether another human or the AI) can buy units. Right? That's all that I want to know--as long as I can generate battles and won't know what I'm facing, it will keep the challenge fresh. Dar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut Posted November 4, 1999 Share Posted November 4, 1999 Steve, I asked this before but never had a reply. :-( Will that mean that at the end of the battle a points lost for each side will be displyed? The points relating back to the purchase cost of the units. Cheers Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lokesa Posted November 4, 1999 Share Posted November 4, 1999 Steve, would it be possible to have both in the same scenario. What I mean is could I set up a scenario with most of the units for both sides already chosen but with a small amount of points to spend also. This way we could guide the scenario but still leave an element of unpredictability in what exactly each side has. Giving the editor the ability to set parameters on what could be bought would be cool as well. Like this many points has to be spent on infanty the rest can be used freely or even better allow for more specific stuff like limiting the choices to certain vehicles and infantry thus representing what was avaliable to a commander of a region at a specific time. An editor like this would allow for somewhat random scenarios that are historically placed. I would like the editor to be as complete as possible but realize the time crunch. maybe something to think about for CM2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dar Posted November 4, 1999 Author Share Posted November 4, 1999 Yeah, I agree, Lokesa. It'd be cool to stick each player with a fixed part of their force, so you can know that you're definitely facing, say, a company of veteran '44 Infantry with some assorted support elements, which may consist of a Tiger, or a couple of PzIVHs, or some mortars and heavy weapons, but you're not sure. You and your opponent only know what core forces you're facing. That'd be pretty slick in my opinion. Dar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted November 4, 1999 Share Posted November 4, 1999 Guys, I wouldn't expect it to be automated this version of CM BUT with the scenario editor it is quite simple to do that.. Take a ready-made scenario and agree to give yourselves 1000 points or so for extra goodies, buy them and then place them on-map and play. A neutral third party to do the buying and placement would be best but once that's done you've got that type of game. ------------------ ___________ Fionn Kelly Manager of Historical Research, The Gamers Net - Gaming for Gamers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingtiger Posted November 4, 1999 Share Posted November 4, 1999 Fionn, I would buy a JABO. Richard Kalajian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dar Posted November 4, 1999 Author Share Posted November 4, 1999 One more thing-- Please tell me the AI will buy a balanced force and not <u>all tanks</u> like CC3 when it has points to spend! Dar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Posted November 4, 1999 Share Posted November 4, 1999 If anything, the AI is going to buy all JABOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted November 4, 1999 Share Posted November 4, 1999 Dar, your understanding of how it works is correct. Sorry, not "mixed mode" where a preset scenario can have variability. We did not think this was necessary (might be nice though!) and is far too hard to change at this point. Something to keep in mind though. Roger, not at the moment, though the point score is partially based on purchase points. However, and I could be wrong here, if you go in and view the battlefield after it is over you can see the Global Morale level. This is based on the precentage of purchase points still in service. Dar, all tanks in CM is basically USELSS unless the other side has all tanks (i.e. the AI isn't stupid <g>). There are many reasons, but one is the Victory Locations. To keep one you have to park a unit there. If you have all tanks that means one whole tank has to sit at each VL. If you only start out with 5, and there is an average of 4 VLs per game... you get the picture. Add to this that a tank not in motion, without infantry support, is just a brewup waiting to happen... Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS was 71331 Posted November 4, 1999 Share Posted November 4, 1999 If you want a limited surprise game, you and your opponent need only to agree to buy some known units with the rest of your budget available for whatever else each of you separately chooses. There's no reason CM should have code to enforce your agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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