Holman Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 So here is a update: Battlefront is working hard to finish the final touches to the product. They have a few things to still take care of and are focused on getting it out as soon as possible when the final adjustments are made. There, does that feel better. Because that is all you would ever find out anyway if they did speak up. I think I'd prefer to find it out with less snark. I am BTS's biggest fan, and I have rock-solid confidence in their ability to make a game on their own schedule and to make it right. But (as the very existence of this forum and its long weird history attests) there has always been a sense of player community around these games. I think a lot of us in the community would welcome a bit more communication. Really, why not? "We're a little behind schedule, but here's a couple of cool screenshots of what you can expect" would be great. It would certainly be better than silence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyhellowhatsnew Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 Do I understand correctly that you weren't around for the CMSF release debacle? There is an old saying: "Once burned is twice learned," and BFC got burned pretty bad on that one. It should not be surprising that they want to hold onto the product until they feel confident that they have it working in an acceptable manner. Beyond that, you may be right that they could do a better job of keeping those of us waiting impatiently for it informed of the state of progress. You may not have noticed it, but they have actually gotten a bit better in that area in the last year or two. Unfortunately, they are still a small company that cannot afford to employ a full time PR flack whose job is to keep us informed and up to date. So the emergence of news depends on when one of the other workers—usually Steve—can take time away from other duties to provide bulletins and answer questions. And since you don't know, wouldn't it be best to refrain from criticism until you do know? We know you aren't happy, we got that part. I don't blame you for that, it's just how you are. But to try to go from that to BFC is somehow violating a cosmic principle is simply illogical. Mountains out of molehills, lad. Michael Again, when did I ever say it should be released in a buggy unfinished state? All I said was communicate with your fanbase. A picture, a news post of the day. It takes 10 minutes tops. You don't need a full-time PR person to post something on the main website like "Hello! Some new market garden screens" rather than it just going dark and quiet. Matrix isn't that big either but they manage to make a post that's just a paragraph and at least it's something. And no, I won't refrain from criticism, I will criticize because it's my right and I want to help them get better at PR stuff because right now they hold onto archaic ideas that people just go along with because just as old as they are and hate change and don't recognize when they should try new ideas or tactics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyhellowhatsnew Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 So, even if they did communicate something, it does not change anything. It will not even change your attitude, though you claim it will. So here is a update: Battlefront is working hard to finish the final touches to the product. They have a few things to still take care of and are focused on getting it out as soon as possible when the final adjustments are made. There, does that feel better. Because that is all you would ever find out anyway if they did speak up. It's really like people aren't reading the words i'm saying and they're just defending BF like fanboys at this point when i'm trying to give advice and help them out. Again, when did I say I want it to be released now? Or in a buggy state? No communication isn't good practice anymore. Welcome to 2013. Reagan isn't President anymore and the Jets won a football game last week. Also the cold war is over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyhellowhatsnew Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 Summary: Communication from BF good. Silence not so good. I hope that helps people understand what I am saying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyhellowhatsnew Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 I think I'd prefer to find it out with less snark. I am BTS's biggest fan, and I have rock-solid confidence in their ability to make a game on their own schedule and to make it right. But (as the very existence of this forum and its long weird history attests) there has always been a sense of player community around these games. I think a lot of us in the community would welcome a bit more communication. Really, why not? "We're a little behind schedule, but here's a couple of cool screenshots of what you can expect" would be great. It would certainly be better than silence. Thank you for getting it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedorf81 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Here, I have a better thought. I want to start campaigning that they dont release it until Christmas, make all those that cannot wait go crazy. Plus it solves all the threads that pop up wanting something new from BF at Christmas time since they have time to use it then. So Please Bf, no matter the pressure. wait and make this mans misery complete and release MG at Christmas!!! What?! That soon already?:cool: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyhellowhatsnew Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 The worst part is that we're all on the same side. We all love BF, we all love this series, this game. We all want whats best for them and for them to succeed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanzerMike Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 We are closer today than we were yesterday. BFC are working hard to get this to us. All will be well. Just a little more patience. The wait will be worth it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyhellowhatsnew Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 Again that is missing the point but I give up. This line of thinking is just cemented in the community I guess. I love the grog community, it really is the best gaming community around but from certain standpoints it's full of dinosaurs. I'll go back to writing my Government Shutdown/MG fanfic in this thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Well, from a beta viewpoint, what I can tell you is {NDA VIOLATION: Comments redacted!!!} . Despite the obvious personality conflicts, the meetings to resolve these issues, face to face, held at {NDA VIOLATION: Comments redacted!!!} and whenthe dwarf ran down the hall, then {NDA VIOLATION: Comments redacted!!!} but finally, the helmet in question was dug up on a battlefield tour of {NDA VIOLATION: Comments redacted!!!} . I hope that lets you know why it's not out yet, but you can expect it by {NDA VIOLATION: Comments redacted!!!}. Ken out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanzerMike Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I love the grog community, it really is the best gaming community around but from certain standpoints it's full of dinosaurs. I am only 41. Dinosaur...humbug I really do get your point, you want more feedback/updates from the developers where things stand in the development process. Fair enough. But it is up to them if they want to do this. Trust me, once MG is out, you will forget all about the long wait. Until Bagration is announced ofcourse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Steppenwulf Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I fear they have gone... A Game Too Far. I can't wait for the trailer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I think them posting the manual says all you need to know about where things stand in the development process. This ain't exactly 'Duke Nukem Forever' we're talking about. Asking why there's a hold-up implies that there's been a hold-up. Moon might be dotting the final i and crossing the final t as we speak, for all we know. Then again, if the government shut down has made some necessary bureaucratic paperwork concerning international trade impossible to file... Who knows? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zane Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I preorder MG, check my e-mail each day Looking for something from B.F In the mean time I still am trying to Learn and train using CMBN-CW ver 2.01 Have been in training playing the campaign "The Road to Monteburg" have Lost both battles, I got a little closer Last night got to the edge of Monteburg. Learning how to use my engineers to blow holes in Bocage. but I hate it when they run through hole after they blow it. I got some of my army inf in the objective zone but did not get in credit for it ? "OH well back to the drawing Board" In the mean time keep checking my e-mail . Regards Zane 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 In the mean time I still am trying to Learn and train using CMBN-CW ver 2.01 Yeah, as much as I am looking forward to the MG release playing 2.01 is loads of fun. This is a much better wait than for CMBN 1.0 Learning how to use my engineers to blow holes in Bocage. but I hate it when they run through hole after they blow it. Plot the blast command along the bocage on our side (instead of through it). Then they will not go through. You should still give them a fast or quick command to move further away from the hole after the blast but they should all stay on your side of the bocage. I got some of my army inf in the objective zone but did not get in credit for it ? You, only get credit for the objective if you have guys on it and you clear all of your enemy off of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratdeath Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 "No. There is still hope for Market Garden. Battlefront needs time... and safe passage across the plains of Debugging. We can give them that." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak40 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I think them posting the manual says all you need to know about where things stand in the development process. This ain't exactly 'Duke Nukem Forever' we're talking about. Asking why there's a hold-up implies that there's been a hold-up. Moon might be dotting the final i and crossing the final t as we speak, for all we know. Then again, if the government shut down has made some necessary bureaucratic paperwork concerning international trade impossible to file... Who knows? The Commonwealth Manual was released on Feb 28, 2012, the module released only 6 days later on March 5th. It's been a frantic 10 days of F5-ing since the MG manual came out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson 1812 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Rather they sort the bugs out first... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexUK Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Given what heyhellowhatsnew's been through recently I hope he gets some good news soon - till then, hang in there, we've almost made it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSTK Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Don't forget, HeyHello. You've still got your dog. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Just sat down with my twentieth or so cup of coffee for the day. Saw this while giving my brain a very slight break. Appreciate the happy thoughts. Keep the faith, heyhello. Well, from a beta viewpoint, what I can tell you is {NDA VIOLATION: Comments redacted!!!} . Despite the obvious personality conflicts, the meetings to resolve these issues, face to face, held at {NDA VIOLATION: Comments redacted!!!} and whenthe dwarf ran down the hall, then {NDA VIOLATION: Comments redacted!!!} but finally, the helmet in question was dug up on a battlefield tour of {NDA VIOLATION: Comments redacted!!!} . I hope that lets you know why it's not out yet, but you can expect it by {NDA VIOLATION: Comments redacted!!!}. Ken out. Ken, you are a seriously weird dude. This is of course a compliment of the highest order. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webwing Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Well. Ken can only be a Weird Dude as we already have a Normal Dude. -- 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 The world I live in is exciting, rich, and varied. If I reveal too much of it I may cause a rift in the space-time continuum. Your part of the multiverse could be endangered were I to do so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG TOW Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Be nice to have for thanksgiving week-end coming up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisND Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Well. Ken can only be a Weird Dude as we already have a Normal Dude. -- Really? Who is he? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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