steel32 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Played 2 games with one as axis and one as allies albeit not to the end in HvsH and noticed that it is hard to take and if taken hold Viipuri as the Fins. If Finland can not hold Viipuri the long-term prospects are certain that they will fall in 42 or 43. Russian bombers/fighters in the early stage have nothing better to do than stay in this area and with the help of the navy can continue to beat the Fins back and come 42' with heavy tanks there is nothing really they can do. Also would be nice to have this front enlarged slightly to allow units to move north of Lake Saimaa (not sure if this is correct) to allow more movement. Another help for later in the war would be perhaps an anti-tank. What's everyone else's opinion on Finland in AOC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llhnickerson Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 As Axis the computer seems to leave them relatively alone in 1942. I am to the point where I am one town away from encircling Leningrad and all of Northwestern Russia in a huge pocket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llhnickerson Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Oddly, the AI defended Petrozavodsk with about 5 units sent in by rail when I threatened it in 1941, only to pull out all but one division the very next turn. Eventually I was able to defeat the one division and take the city and push south. One army hung around the area later but the Finns destroyed it; their experience is beastly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Defending and attack in the Finnish area north of Leningrad is balanced for player vs player but yes the A.I. can't defend like a person. The alternative is to put an engineer up there and build forts or cheat for it. Its a very delicate defense that if done right the other team can't get across.... if they are human. Let me think about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy131313 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Steel32's suggestion of giving the Finn's Anti-Tank unit(s) is a good idea. Historically the German's sent Finland modern anti-tank weaponry after the Finnish were driven back to the same defensive positions held at the conclusion of the Winter War. This anti-tank weaponry helped the Finns's repel the Russian offensive. This weaponry was delivered with the agreement that Finland would not make it's own peace offering. President Risto Ryti of Finland accepted this agreement that would last until at least the end of his presidency (which was August 1944) It would make an interesting decision event for the German's to send this equipment to Finland should the Russians be on the offensive against Finland, otherwise it would be deployed on the Eastern Front for use against Russia. Furthermore, if the Finnish do not receive the equipment and are overrun by the Russians they should make a peace offering if Helsinki is threatened (condition: Kotka and Kouvola are both captured). Alternatively, if they do receive the equipment then the Finnish should fight on until August 1944 unless of course they surrender from their capital being captured. My personal preference would be to see 2 anti-tank units deployed via this decision event as it may be enough defense to actually repel some tank attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel32 Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 Crispy I agree on 2 anti-tank units but did not want to propose so much. The reality the Germans supplied the Fins tanks and more, and Finland was more than the Russians wanted to give at the time to conquer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 I will run a sim and openly give them ATs. I don't think it will make a difference. But there are other things I can do potentially Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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