Albe Pavo Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Poor italian soldiers.. Poor logistics, bad equipments (with some exceptions), horrible commander.. but they were not always cannon fodder.. see for example the sacrifice of Ariete Tank Division, the feat of Folgore paratroopers division or the all-out defence of caposaldo Ruspoli in North Africa. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted June 29, 2012 Author Share Posted June 29, 2012 Could it be possible to maintain, on tactical views, a similar direction? That is looking toward the enemy lines with eventually an arrow sighted on a know landmark (Villa Castalletti). That way we won’t make a wrong interpretation of the shot. That is relevant for other AAR. This is not possible in most cases. What I will try to do is include an overview map every few turns to help keep you oriented on what is going on where. Bil 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelican Pal Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Even if doctrine kept all squad control under the squad leader it makes no sense to not allow squad splitting. For example, to cover both sides of a road as the Italians I would need 20 men. While in reality I'm sure that half of a squad wouldn't be petrified to have their SL 10-15 meters away. It is even more absurd in the Syrian case because you have an attached RPG in the squad, and god forbid he goes to the second floor of a building to engage targets while the rest of the squad takes cover on the first. A much better and more realistic approach would be to give the me not with the SL a morale penalty. It would still allow the player to intelligently split their forces but the morale penalty would penalize them for giving elements not with the SL too much to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Even if doctrine kept all squad control under the squad leader it makes no sense to not allow squad splitting. For example, to cover both sides of a road as the Italians I would need 20 men. And shooting at Italian squads in buildings will be like shooting fish packed tightly in a barrel... at least to start with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactical Wargamer Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Bill what program are you using for the screenshots. Love the arrows and what not. Thanks sir. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 RCMP, thanks, all of the arrows, etc. are simple additions made in Photoshop. I am going to upload a few turns tonight. I have to try to catch Abnormal Dude. He has told me he posted up to turn 6, and I'll try to get there by tomorrow evening so we can continue. Bil 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 The Third Minute My armor continues to leap frog forward on my right.. notice how exposed the TCs are in this image.. I have yet to be taught the lesson I think you all can see coming. On my left my infantry has uncovered another enemy team. My plan is to pin it with one platoon while advancing against it with another. My support (mortars and HMG teams) are indicated by the green circles, they will provide fire support as necessary and advance behind the infantry, close enough to support but not close enough to get decisively engaged. My plan is to advance as quickly as possible, never letting up the pressure with my infantry. I do not want to let his forward detachment escape. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 The Fourth Minute The situation is starting to become clear... on the Hill objective I am starting to see some entrenchments as the US infantry there start to snipe at my infantry on the hill. The range is too far for either of us to cause any harm, but if he unloads with an MG that could quickly change. Normal Dude's forward element seems very far forward to me... I am at certain points very close to his units which are starting to present themselves (four enemy units are shown in this image). I do still have a Platoon off the screen to the right in this image ready to close the door behind them. Now I understand how vulnerable the R-35 TC is, as it takes a casualty from an enemy team in the woodline. The problem now is that this tank is useless... and the others if I keep buttoned, which I most likely will do, can't spot to save their lives... which will matter, believe me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chek Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 My armor continues to leap frog forward on my right.. notice how exposed the TCs are in this image.. I have yet to be taught the lesson I think you all can see coming. Still that's some seriously good visibility. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Abe Pavo, Welcome aboard! The Italians fought brilliantly at Halfaya Pass, so much so that I believe Rommel even mentioned them specifically. They were in another action at Battleaxe, and gave the British a major drubbing. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albe Pavo Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Hello John, thank you! You're right, i also remember Stalin about italians breaking the pocket at Nikolajevka: " they are the only troops to left Russia undefeated" (or something like that, i cannot find the quote right now..). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 The Fifth Minute I had some frustration this turn. Despite my superior numbers and my superior firepower it looks like he was able to withdraw his entire forward line without loss. Here they are entering their new position. Wasn't enough to keep them out of range of my canister though.. ever wonder what it must have been like to be on the receiving end of canister, well here you go. And here is the view from my side. Next turn I am pushing hard forward and will try to bag them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 And I mean this sincerely... YAAAY CANISTER IN THE GAME!!!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 The Sixth Minute I continue to push... Abnormal Dude does not move his forward line off their present position and it costs him. From what I can see there are several U.S. casualties from my tightening sack and his forward line looks like it might be pinned in place. Next turn if they don't pull back further I will be pushing even closer. I will say this, these Americans have great firepower even for a small formation like this as I am taking as many casualties as I am giving. That is worrisome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 The Seventh Minute I will let the images tell the story... first they break: Then they die... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan8325 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Bil, What is the typical experience, leadership and motivation of your Bersaglieri units? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenris Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Ouch, that's a harsh ending. Thanks for posting. -F 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsword56 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 The Seventh Minute Is that a new type of bush? An artichoke plant? Grapevine? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Is that a new type of bush? An artichoke plant? Grapevine? Looks much more like a grapevine than a triffid, I mean artichoke plant to me. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SYW7bwNW30c/S_ROs13-csI/AAAAAAAADM4/lIglaBOB29I/s400/Globe+Artichoke+2.jpg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertram Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Grapes are planted closer together, and are strung along lines - giving a continuous row. If the bushes are based on anything real life, I would think them fruit or nut trees (Almonds, apricots or peaches would fit the climate, though it might be a bit dry for the last one). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVulture Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 The Sixth Minute there are several U.S. casualties from my tightening sack Not wishing to lower the tone, but am I really the only one to have had a really disturbing and inappropriate mental image in reponse to this line... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Well, if that turn did anything it deflated the notion that Italians are condemned to be 'pushovers' in small scale combat like this. Yes, in the grand scheme of things they may not have a hope in hell of holding out, but taken one platoon at a time they still need to be overcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Not wishing to lower the tone, but am I really the only one to have had a really disturbing and inappropriate mental image in reponse to this line... Yes, just you, you sick dog. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Grapes are planted closer together, and are strung along lines - giving a continuous row. If the bushes are based on anything real life, I would think them fruit or nut trees (Almonds, apricots or peaches would fit the climate, though it might be a bit dry for the last one). You're right, of course, but if the map designer wasn't aware of real world vinicultural practices... Nut bushes would be a good match too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 They are actually immature spaghetti trees. By the time the war is over they should be just the right size for their first spaghetti harvest. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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