WIP - CW Weapon Skins

[Rambler]

Thanks. Yeah, there are definitely some mapping issues I've run into. I know you know all about that, Fuser . Can't believe you're still sane after all those vehicle textures you've done!

[sburke]

Thanks. Yeah, there are definitely some mapping issues I've run into. I know you know all about that, Fuser . Can't believe you're still sane after all those vehicle textures you've done!

Who said he was sane? Think about the task he keeps taking on, does that sound like a sane person to you?

[Fuser]

Crazy but not lazy, that's my motto.

I hope Rambler is not to sane either and finishes this quickly

[Rambler]

Been awhile since I've done an update. Work is still progressing on this mod. In fact, there's only two weapons left to finish; the M1s and the Vickers MG. Here's a couple of quick screen grabs of some of the revised base game weapons.

K98s with the correct style sling cutout on the left side of the stock, new buttplates courtesy of LukeFF and redone wear and tear.

M1 carbines sans bayonet lugs.

[Waycool]

Sweet, looking good rambler.

[Hister]

Great stuff Rumbler! Will it be compatible with the upcoming 2.0 update?

[verulam]

Fantastic, can't wait.

[John Kettler]

LukeFF,

That German tracked vehicle started out French. It's a captured Chenillette UE.

http://maquettegarden.free.fr/Vehicules/Chenillette%20UE/files/photo_frames.html?7

http://maquettegarden.free.fr/Vehicules/Chenillette%20UE/files/photo_frames.html?22

Erwin,

On a more topical note, here is a site showing actual WW II uniforms with patches in place. From what I can see, the patches don't seem to fade much.

http://www.itsgottago.com/wwii_uniforms.cfm?CID=2787

Here is an 82nd Airborne uniform circa Market Garden, together with a whole bunch of other uniforms both German and Japanese. Should be quite a help for the modders.

http://ww2collection.blogspot.com/

Regards,

John Kettler

Regards,

[Erwin]

These are collectibles, so naturally they look new. Joking, right?

I know I have been on about this. But, every time I see a WW2 combat pic (ie doesn't appear staged) it's hard to see insignia or anything. It seems only common sense that no combat soldier wants to have some colorful rag stuck to his camo. But, some seem to really like the colorful Napoleonic miniatures look for WW2 troopers.

[Rambler]

Great stuff Rumbler! Will it be compatible with the upcoming 2.0 update?

I can't see why it wouldn't be. If the new normal maps in the update are handled the same way as the water normal map currently in CMBN, it's just a separate bmp file. As long as they don't change the actual texture map or filename, it should be good to go.

Another little update. Here's what one of the new M1s will be looking like. Still very wip:

[John Kettler]

Erwin,

You're joking or I'm joking? Can't tell which! While I certainly accept some fading occurred, I think you also need to factor in image fade for period photographs. There's also the very real variation the uniforms themselves exhibit, as seen in this withering assessment.

http://www.atthefront.com/us/uniforms/whatiskhaki.html

Here is an array of full WW II uniforms, to include some of ours. 82nd Airborne in Sicily is toward the bottom of the page.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?81050-WWII-uniforms-equipment-and-gear

Here is a collection of WW II shoulder patches

http://www.cowanauctions.com/auctions/item.aspx?ItemId=113373

Will probably bring you joy! Grubby WW II uniforms.

http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/9205

More uniform sets, including a pretty bright 2AD patch on a tanker's jumpsuit.

http://iacmc.forumotion.com/t2138-wwii-us-soldier-equipment-and-uniform-reference

Regards,

John Kettler

[LukeFF]

I know I have been on about this. But, every time I see a WW2 combat pic (ie doesn't appear staged) it's hard to see insignia or anything. It seems only common sense that no combat soldier wants to have some colorful rag stuck to his camo. But, some seem to really like the colorful Napoleonic miniatures look for WW2 troopers.

Do we really need to have this argument again? For that matter, have you even been in the military?

I have a picture hanging on my wall of a squad of American paratroopers standing in a village they just captured in combat from the Germans, in June 1944. Their Screaming Eagles insignia is as plain as day for all to see.

[Splinty]

Remember the uniform regulations Patton enforced in 3rd Army's Area of Operations? Essentially soldiers were required to wear their uniforms as if going on parade. That would include patches, rank insignia, ribbons, and badges. Not a very camouflaged way to go into battle.

[Erwin]

No sorry, I was never in WW2, that was my parents you're thinking of. I keep looking at the wallpaper shots mod in all CM2 games as well as combat pics from other sources, and it's very hard to see any insignia, esp on the Germans. But, it stands to reason that no one wants to go into battle wearing bright colors. I imagine troops would dirty them up asap regardless of orders.

But, no worries if others prefer the Napoleonic look - so long as there are mods that heavily camo the patches etc.

[LukeFF]

I keep looking at the wallpaper shots mod in all CM2 games as well as combat pics from other sources, and it's very hard to see any insignia, esp on the Germans. But, it stands to reason that no one wants to go into battle wearing bright colors. I imagine troops would dirty them up asap regardless of orders.

Yep, like I thought, you have no military experience.

That, and like I said before, you aren't looking hard enough. Google "Forrest Guth," and you'll see what I mean.

But, no worries if others prefer the Napoleonic look - so long as there are mods that heavily camo the patches etc.

It has nothing to do with a Napoleonic look. You just choose to either ignore the evidence that's been presented to you or are just so attached to your theory that no competing evidence will ever sway you.

[Erwin]

You know, I have watched thousands hours of WW2 documentaries and seen heaven knows how many stills, and it's very hard to see insignia on actual combat pics.

Maybe you have one picture of troops that shows insignia. But, that's one picture. Where are the thousands that would prove your point so easily?

Of course the collectibles that JK links to are pristine and clean. I keep asking for links to documentaries and picture galleries that show combat troops who have been in combat for some time and what they look like.

I think it's reasonable that there be solid evidence in bulk, not just one or two unique pics vs thousands that show otherwise.

And the issue isn't "Have you been in the milltary", but "Have you been in serious combat for several weeks in WW2." I would be very impressed if anyone here has been.

[Mord]

From what I have learned the Germs didn't have patches like the US and CW so you aren't gonna find any in pics.

You've been shown lots of pictures of US guys in patches but every single time someone does come up with evidence you claim they are staged or REMFs.

So WTF? What do you care? Apparently you do or you wouldn't keep bringing it up. LMAO! It's like it irritates you that modders make patch mods or people use them. DON'T use the mods if you don't like patches. It's that friggin' simple. Nobody is forcing you.

Here's a pic of a dead 82nd para from Normandy. His buddies drowned him and sewed the patch on his sleeve so they could stage the photo.

Mord.

[LukeFF]

Maybe you have one picture of troops that shows insignia. But, that's one picture. Where are the thousands that would prove your point so easily?

One? Umm, no. I've done some random Google searches with terms like "1st Infantry WWII" and in return I've come back with countless pics of guys shown with their uniform insiginia, that aren't REMFs or a hundred miles behind the front lines. I'm not going to run the search again and post them here, because you'll just spout the same ol' excuses about how they're not pics taken in action.

some time

LOL, please don't be too precise now! What qualifies as "some time?" A week? Two weeks? A month? What if the unit has been at the front for some time but hasn't seen the type of combat that quickly tears up/muddies uniforms? What if it's a tanker or an artillery crew, i.e., the types of guys who wouldn't exactly always be crawling around in the mud and the dirt?

I could go on, but I think you get my point.

[Erwin]

I understand that the poor bastard picked up out of the water got shot at the landing literally fresh off the boat. As I still maintain, troops that survived to be in combat for days and weeks, and that is what CMBN and CMFI covers were pretty dirty and hence you can't see insignia easily. It's not "all of nothing".

It's fine that you like insignia visible in the game. I am merely pointing out that newsreel and documentaries from that era of combat troops who have been in the field for a bit show a different picture - of dirty worn uniforms that do not have obvious distinguishing marks. How you want your CM game to look is completely up to you.

I am sure you can find exceptions. But, when I google for WW2 Combat pics the majority (am not claiming 100%) show images of combat troops in which it is hard to see any insignia.

Take a look at these:

http://www.dogfacesoldiers.org/

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/pacificwar/index.html

http://www.lonesentry.com/photoalbums/S16_79thinfantry/index.html

However, I really recommend that you watch HISTORY CHANNEL and MILITARY CHANNEL for WW2 documentaries and newsreels as those are the best source.

[akd]

I understand that the poor bastard picked up out of the water got shot at the landing literally fresh off the boat. As I still maintain, troops that survived to be in combat for days and weeks, and that is what CMBN and CMFI covers were pretty dirty and hence you can't see insignia easily. It's not "all of nothing".

That is an 82nd Airborne paratrooper.

Take a look at these:

http://www.dogfacesoldiers.org/

I clearly see 3rd ID patch on almost every visible left shoulder not covered with a field jacket. In some cases the patch has even been added to the later field jacket. 3rd ID insignia is also clearly visible on many helmets.

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/pacificwar/index.html

There 3 or 4 photos of Marine combat infantry on that page. I don't see the relevance.

http://www.lonesentry.com/photoalbums/S16_79thinfantry/index.html

Division badge is clearly visible, but of course these don't really meet your definition of combat photos, so I'm not sure why you linked it in the first place.

[para]

Here's a pic of a dead 82nd para from Normandy. His buddies drowned him and sewed the patch on his sleeve so they could stage the photo.

Mord.

Brilliant Mord lol

[LukeFF]

As I still maintain, troops that survived to be in combat for days and weeks, and that is what CMBN and CMFI covers were pretty dirty and hence you can't see insignia easily.

You really are not getting it. And, since I'm feeling generous, here's some pics to debunk your theory (all of them are 82nd Airborne, and were taken in either Sicily or Normandy):

Now go ahead and tell us how these are not pics of soldiers who have been in combat.

[LukeFF]

Oh, and as for this gem:

troops that survived to be in combat for days and weeks, and that is what CMBN and CMFI covers were pretty dirty

What the hell do you think we've been posting? Reenactment photos? All of the photos I've posted above are of guys who had been in combat for at least a couple of days, if not more. And yet, there they are, with shoulder insignia intact.

Armchair soldiers, gotta love them.

[John Kettler]

LukeFF,

Devastating rejoinder! The second pic is so overexposed I almost missed the patch on the sleeve of the man holding the field phone. The third picture made my eyes well. My immediate sense was that this man just lost a buddy. Have seen that same body posture and felt that vibe in pics from the Vietnam War. Regarding the fourth pic, "Please ignore the German corpse at our feet." How do I know it's German? The gas mask canister. Also of interest are the fixed bayonets several of the paratroopers are sporting.

Regards,

John Kettler

[Erwin]

Actually, the pictures reinforce my take that the insignia are subdued, not bright and colorful sniper targets as they are sometimes in the game. But, as I said "it's not all or nothing" as you guys keep insisting.

You clearly don't watch many WW2 documentaries on the Military or History channels. But, you should as the thousands of hours avalable give a very good picture of what uniforms, insignia etc looked like in battles and it would be a good education for you.