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Yes, this is what I was saying a couple of pages back.

With all these command and control centres and high ranking commanders getting taken out I'm starting to suspect that NATO/US are ELINT snooping and sending the co-ordinates to the Ukrainians. I cant believe that the Ukranians have either A, the assets to do this or B, blind luck taking out so many in a short space of time, to much of a coincidence for me.

I'm so sorry bit in my defense it's not MRE's its rabbit.

I've watched that drone footage a few times and I have to say those Ukrainians have brass balls. After the first AT shot u see the russians go every where then you see the T72 take a shot into the trees and a clump of dirt blows up in front of said T72. Well if you watch the area where the tank round impacted, just below it a split second after the round detonated you see a flash from a Ukrainian firing his AT and that is where the dirt blast comes from. Bloke must have the biggest balls, staring down a tank, main tank round going off right next to him and he still gets his shot off and only misses by a fraction. Says alot when the russian infantry support dismounts away from the ambush and Ukrainians are willing to face down an MBT. Not sure how the russians are trained but in an ambush like that your best option is to fight through the enemy, your already in his kill box, you dont know if he has more kill boxes set up, so safest way to go is towards the ambush, with a f**k tonne of fire power.

A point touched on earlier. Russian home front and satellite states is not my thing but as said previously what happens if certain areas/provinces of russia think, hmmm now might be a good time to say nope, we want out and declare independence, lots of bushfires springing up that russia are not in a position to deal with. I mean this could be there best chance to have a go at it. Experts on russian homefront please chip in.

That's an offense to the word tactics. That would more be termed as week 1 recruits gangf***ing down a road. Followed by screaming from the training NCO.

That would be the russians egg carton ERA protecting the tank.

Well that's what I alluded to a good few pages ago. That some countries that are within Nato may be getting slightly nervous ie Poland and the may try to engineer a situation that puts Nato one a collision course with Russia. It's all reminiscent of 1945, to fight the russians now or later, problem now is russia has lots of ICBM's. The question still sits there though, ugly as it is, to fight the russians now or later because if Putin remains in power I do not believe he will stop with Ukraine.

I find this whole Mig 29 situation with Poland quite baffling. Why have they announced their intention to the whole world without seemingly running the idea past the Americans, who have now publicly baulked at the idea of shuttling fighter jets from a Nato base to a war theatre, thus antagonising Putin. Seems like a major cock up to me ?

So President Zelensky is going to be addressing our British PM and parliament this morning and is going to ask that a No fly zone or whatever wording they wish to use, be implemented over Ukraine airspace by Nato. What's everyone's thoughts on this because I cant see it happening?

Unverified reports of russia using thermobaric bombs, how will this change the political landscape seeing as how they are against the Geneva convention. Yes I know russia is not a signatory, but NATO is and I think we may see NATO's stance becoming even firmer with more pro-active action, otherwise how far do we let Putin go. He said he wouldnt bomb indiscriminately, binned that cause the going got tough, threatened nukes, now just to test the waters again he authorises the use of thermobarics. At some point NATO has to give him and russian forces a severe bloody nose, enough is enough, no more lines will be crossed.

So maybe it's time for some back channel talk with russian generals/opposition leaders, sort of like, hey your army is in the **** in ukraine, your economy is tanking hard, so maybe if you "remove" Mr Putin from power and begin a phased withdrawal back to your own borders we will reverse the worst sanctions before Mr Mad starts throwing nukes around cause hey we all have grandkids.

So this thread has been really good for following the WAR in Ukraine and seeing peoples views on tactics and operational options etc. However I would say that last couple of pages have turned into theological semantic back and forth bulls**t. He stole my toy first back in 19th century whatever. These arguments have a time and place but for me not on this thread. You want to discuss conspiracy theories, who has the moral high ground etc, then open your own thread and have at it, cause if you dont I can see this interesting thread with its wealth of information getting shutdown. Plus I cant be bothered wading through all that drivel. Thanks in advance.

Any thoughts on what if, what if the likes of Poland and other eastern European nato members are starting to get twitchy and are purposefully making moves that russia will respond to and then Natos hand would be forced, article 5 would automatically trigger. ???

Russia now saying that if Finland were allowed to join Nato that there would be severe military repercussions. Is this how the sTory goes, Putin threatens military action to paralyze nato in case ww3 kicks off. Bit of a rock and a hard place in my opinion. If nato does nothing putin will grow bolder and ww3 may still happen, probably even more likely.

Unfortunately urban combat is the only place where the Ukrainians can possibly stop the Russians and bleed them.

As Aragorn says above, next move white Russia. I dont see any other choices from this course of action. Putin takes Ukraine but wrecks the russian economy and ostracizes the country politically. Further moves have to be coming and I believe this has somewhat been orchestrated in cahoots with China.

All very good advice and suggestions above, BUT and its a big BUT for me as you can probably tell, the V 4 self preservation changes went to far and as has been admitted, has made morale wonky, ie troops fleeing from incoming whilst in good cover, trenches, buildings etc. They basically get up and run around in the open and then DIE, needlessly i might add. Yes soldiers do break and run thats a fact, but generally not in the way the game depicts it at the moment, for me it has broken it beyond playability, i have had RT, BN, and BS sitting on my PC for almost a year doing nothing because i personally cant play the game like it is at the moment, terrible shame, and i wait patiently for the patch but there it is. So in regards to self preservation and the factors that go into it like, training, experience, morale, they all have cause and effect agaisnt each other but for me, units breaking cover like that is more about leadership than anything else. If leadership is bad a unit will always suffer. In the nitty gritty part of fighting and killing soldiers will stay the course for their mates, 'well, jims not running so im staying to' simplistic but true, combine that with good leadership and you will have a fairly solid and robust fighting force. Change that with bad leadership and you get problems, big, small and catastrophic. In a lot of enquiries regarding units breaking or not functioning as they should most of the time the main problem can be placed at the door of poor leadership, sometimes mixed in with poor training. (A modern showcase for this was Viking company in afghan in regards to LCpl Ford at jugroom fort, bad leadership and training made a **** situation worse, and im not knocking the royals because i have a lot of friends who serve or have served in the royals its just that was the first one that popped in my head and fit the bill nicely). So, self preservation, at a basic level, get contacted, first instinct, hit the dirt, see if you can locate the firing point, then if possible shoot back, cause why wouldnt you, the modern training mantra is, dash, down, observe, sights, fire, that gets drummed into you and kicked into you, well it used to before everyone became snowflakes lol, all the way through basics, guess where most of this came from, yup WW2 experiences, because absolute hoards of data was accumalated and studied and number crunched, alot more than quite a few people realise, this was, over time assimilated into the training and essence/culture of military training, it never happens overnight, its a slow progressive wheel that keeps turning and learning, the military, (british) for me, may seem to take forever to learn a lesson, especially in relative peaceful times, but they do learn. So, having said all that, mr pixel is in a trench with his pixel buddies taking sporadic arty fire, in RL hes gonna stay right there with his head down hoping hes not going to die, because he knows if he gets up hes more than likely going to die and also let his mates and unit down, that is why he stays. In V4 as it stands at the moment, for me any way, this is the exception to the rule, i always see full healthy squads/platoons get up and leg it after being under fire for short periods, and this happens constantly during one scenario. If this was a true depiction of self preservation then what happenend with WW1, the trenches would have been 3 quarters empty. How about normandy, pretty much all the airborne troops dropped were GREEN, with zero combat experience, did they break and run around like ninnys, nope. Seeing units decide they have had enough and wish to be elsewhere should be the exception, the rarity, it shouldnt be where you constantly have to herd your pixeltruppen back into position, its not realistic and its bloody annoying. And rant finished, phew, definetly havent had enough coffee yet this morning, didnt mean to go on but this has been seriously bugging me for a while i could go more in depth, but flogging a horse and all that, i think you catch my drift. So sitting serenly now waiting for the patch.

Thats a damn shame but i hope everything is ok with baneman.

Rome was a good series but it wandered away from accuracy at times, the notion that romans were hedonistic and always up for orgies is mis-placed more so for the powerful families. (Spartacus is utter pish as a view into the roman world, gladiators generally didnt kill each other at games, they were atheletes and very expensive to train and pay). They were actually very conservative and dignitas ruled all, men of power would never compromise their dignitas for anything and that included going against the mos maorium in regards to morals. Also my big bug bear is how they badly miscast Ceaser, of all the descriptions of the man, athletic, lithe, with golden/blonde hair and they cast an overweight saggy actor with black bloody hair. It also shows women as being major players which on the whole is untrue, women were seen as being assets to their family in regards to who they could be married off to so as to forge alliances or marry into money, see old Ceaser marrying his daughter Julia to Marius and thus changing the fortunes of the family Juliia. Phew didnt mean to go on. Still a very good series and worth a watch.

Thanks for the update an info Steve. Truly excited for CMSF2. I have to admit i stopped playing all the other families because of the morale/cover bug so im looking forward to dusting off my games when the patch comes out. I new it would all turn out well in the end.

Fantastic, just fantastic.

Or do a variable tile source, if your close but have no eyes the indicator will be within a couple of tiles of the actual source, the further the distance the larger the tile spread. So at say 1km the ? Icon pings upfor an AT that fired but it is randomly placed within a (i dunno) 20 tile radius, so you can take a swag at it and pummel it with arty but you might be wrooong. To me this would be the best solution.

I especially loved the 40 mm grenade fire. Ive seen the spray and pray with an AK but never a grenade launcher.