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Or better yet: a civilian dies in NATO peacekeeping operation- collateral damage. Civilian dies in Kosovo during operations led either by the police or army- war crime. If you really take a step back you'll see that there is no good or evil and that the ones proclaiming something as good or evil are trying to use as a tool. Or better yet a UN created Tribunal where there were some pretty hefty sentences. And thats just for the leadership. I was talking about the ones that did the killing- they were sentenced by our courts. Some cases are still ongoing. And then i take a look to the west and see a country that celebrates the day they forced every Serb they could get their hands on (about a thousand or so were killed in their homes) out of the country. Doesn't that constitute a humanitarian crisis or maybe even a crime against humanity (part of ethnic cleansing is forced relocation)?

So i guess you said (in case of Kosovo) that only a select few ethnic groups and nation have a right to self-determination (that right must be guaranteed by US or NATO, gods forbid it Russia or someone else). And everything else you said sounds a lot like WMD's in Iraq (from alleged atrocities to powder keg situation). I guess you can make a positive impact in world by bombing railroad bridges just as the train is crossing it or maybe drop a bomb or two on a TV station... Unlike everyone else in those conflict we had the courage to prosecute people involved in war crimes. We paid a price for that. Can the same be said of anyone else involved in those conflict?

Yes we could and should speak of Holodomor and gulags in Siberia, adventure in Afganistan and every other Soviet/Russian "adventure". But when you attack "my" country by just relaying one side of the story I get butthurt.

That story goes back to the WW2 and an "action" that saw the Albanian nationalist movement crushed for couple of decades. Then came the constitution from 1974 (i think its that year) that basically destroyed the federation and its layer of goverment- autonomous regions and states got a lot more "power". Couple that with growing nationalist movement + money and influence from exiled people and you got yourself a civil war. We were stupid in our decisions to keep the federation and achieve some hallucination called Greater Serbia.

I must admit, the behavior of Serbian army was shameful to say the least, but what of the behavior of Croatian army and its paramilitary of-shoots? Of the Bosnian armed militias and jihadists? Your country and its allies chose to side with fascists and radical islamists because it saw it fit at the time. Now we have those radical islamists walking up to the police stations and shooting policemen. And Kosovo. Really? Your country again intervened in entirely internal question and again chose to side with islamists and people who see it fit to finance their operations through drug and organ trade. The entire case for Kosovo was made up by Blair and his wife. Please don't take this as a sign that i support Milosevic and his cronies or that I deny the war crimes that have happened in that period. I answered mostly because what you speak is not entirely true.

Interlock OP is an excellent scenario, perfect for practicing squad attack and reaction to contact drill.

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Who said anything about nerfing Abrams?

Post the result

I was merely explaining the method used in the test, but yes, you are right.

As some forum members know, I am not a tactical genius. Test was done on a flat map. Initial distance was ~2930 meters. Abrams spotted, engaged and penetrated in matter of seconds while the T90 couldnt achieve penetration.

The only unit that achieved a partial penetration was a Kornet and it was a massed volley of 3 units firing at the same time.

We tested every Russian atgm against Abrams with APS. First, a single unit fired and achieved nothing- missile intercepted. Then i ordered two units to fire at the same time. One got intercepted and the other hit the tank for minimal system damage. Same with RPG's and RPO's.

Abrams has the advantage both in long range and in short range.

By mistake

One Abrams actually took 4 hits on front armor from ~20 meters and then managed to destroy 4 T90 in quick succession.

One Abrams actually took 4 hits on front armor from ~20 meters and then managed to destroy 4 T90 in quick succession.

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Name of the topic says it all.

As the name of the thread suggests, I am looking for opponents. Anyone interested, contact me.

Network ID is actualy 253-730-906 Come and join us

Mixture of panzerfausts, AT grenades and Barkman's skill

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